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Point being, you will never get away from the fact the track it at its fastest right at the end of qualifying, and since LH and NR as so similar in lap times (albeit with different techniques) it's always going to come right down to the wire. |
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It worries me how many people are fixated on the relationship between these two drivers when it's the racing that is important. Opponents are rarely friendly with so much at stake and no doubt Nico and Lewis will be friends again in a few years when this is all water under the bridge. For now, who cares? Bring on a fight to liven up this one team season I say
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That nails it really. You (we) want a fight to "liven up" the championship. If they stopped dicking with the rules and returned to proper racing with real cars then those cars would speak for themselves. Instead we have to get into the politics to find some excitement. Sad really.
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And it all treats the fan with a great big dollop of contempt when neither of them, Lewis especially, can act. Just watch the post quali press conference if you're not sure.
It almost seems like the pressure is forcing Hamilton to regress into childhood. By the end of the season he may literally be throwing toys at people and refusing his dummy. |
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8 Jun 2014, 20:36 (Ref:3417098) | #683 | |
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Hamilton will be bitter over this one...Again Rosberg treading hot waters. I think what we see here is that Rosberg utilizes throttle more to achieve laptime, and Hamilton is much more aggressive with the brakes. I'm guessing Rosberg is told he is missing on corner entry to Lewis most of the time. He doesn't seem to be able to drive hard entry the way Lewis can. Rosberg is notorious for front lockup this season.
Rosberg generally has much higher fuel usage each race, but it was Hamilton's brakes that failed. |
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L1 T2 was a little nasty... But Hamilton did the same defending a couple of times in Bahrain, so twit-for-tat I guess.
Interesting that NR was asking after LH's brake bias on the radio in the first stint when LH was clearly quicker, and told LH had more rearward bias... Only for his rear brakes to overheat later. |
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re: Canada. Real shame LH went out - was looking like it was going to be an very interesting finish. Well, it was anyway, but adding LH to the mix would have made it even more interesting. Good drive by NR though. They were extremely closely matched the whole weekend.
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...Hum. Not sure if if been mentioned, but I'd sure would like to see what this championship would look like if they couldn't look at each others' data.
Seriously, why do they have to look at each others' data? It's not like they're trying to catch up to anyone. Yeah, share some of the data, data that helps improve the car, but not all. How is a driver to utilize their advantages in a race if the other guy knows when/how to use them? Also, curious to see what people think about N.R. not getting a penalty for blowing that final chicane? L.H. went from being in the DRS zone to being out of it for the following four laps (also, more time to cook those brakes). Last edited by 2GRX7; 9 Jun 2014 at 04:07. |
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Everyone else at Ducati and Honda were able to access and copy all his set up data. It would be interesting indeed if they were allowed to withhold data from their team mate. |
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Who do guys think would have the advantage if they didn't share any data?
Nico or Lewis? |
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The data is the team's data, it is not the driver's data and the team want to use as much information as possible to strengthen the position of both cars. |
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Confirms that NR is the #1 driver in the team. If LH was the #1 or equal #1, Merc would have asked NR to concede the spot and there could be no real argument from NR about doing it. |
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I thought the rule was that if you gained an advantage i.e. a position by leaving the track you have to give it back. If the driver makes a mistake and avoids an accident by going straight while maintaining his race position that is a slightly different situation because it is impossible to know if he would have lost the position had he gone through the chicane correctly.
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Or that they are actually equal status. Your argument would only have any meaning if Lewis was ordered behind in a similar situation.
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Remember the good old days?
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Yes, habitual corner cutting will usually be penalised, I would assume if Rosberg had done it again that would have been it.
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9 Jun 2014, 11:54 (Ref:3417478) | #697 | |||
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Rosberg: "It is worth discussing, because it going to the stewards is a bit strange. "It is something that we all agreed among ourselves, and especially that the first time you can maybe get a warning, but you cannot do it three times in a row." |
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...and Rosberg said he slowed down to narrow the gap after blowing the corner and the stewards took that into consideration also.
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The Massa / Hamilton decision at Spa overturned all that and since then there have been several odd decisions where the stewards have clearly varied the consistency that existed before and its become rather capricious. and arbitrary. So Nico wants clarity on it and it is only fair and responsible of the stewards to do that. Penalties and the 'rules of competition' like this should always be open, transparent and consistently applied in similar circumstances so there is no variation in the principles of competition under which the decisions are made. |
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That's just it-we don't know, but one thing's for sure, they wouldn't be as close to each other in a race as they are now. I'd be ****ed if I had to share my data with a slower driver, or one not as savvy as me. He gets to say, 'OH-THAT'S how he does it.', and I'm like, 'What the hell am I getting out of this "two-way" relationship?'
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