Tech Issue Todt gets tough with teams on tyres

Marbot · 8 Jun 2010, 13:15 (Ref:2706696)

Jean Todt (FIA President) insists that the teams have no say in tyre choice. He also says that the contract is now going out to tender!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84226

fourWheelDrift · 8 Jun 2010, 14:52 (Ref:2706742)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Jean Todt (FIA President) insists that the teams have no say in tyre choice. He also says that the contract is now going out to tender!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84226

Nice to know the dog's wagging the tail at last, we've had quite enough of the teams making the rules. Contributing to the debate, fair enough but the final decision on the rules is with the governing body and because of the control tyre situation the tyre deal is effectively part of the technical regulations.

Or to use different metaphor let's hope the lunatics are no longer in charge of the asylum.

Marbot · 8 Jun 2010, 15:19 (Ref:2706760)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

Or to use different metaphor let's hope the lunatics are no longer in charge of the asylum.

Indeed. We should let 'Napoleon' and 'Adolf' sort this one out.

Spritle · 8 Jun 2010, 17:20 (Ref:2706832)

If Jean & Bernie decide on Michelin with its 18" proposal among other things that will drive up costs in the name of saving money...

...who will need to check into the asylum.

fourWheelDrift · 8 Jun 2010, 18:07 (Ref:2706862)

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Originally Posted by Spritle

If Jean & Bernie decide on Michelin with its 18" proposal among other things that will drive up costs in the name of saving money...

...who will need to check into the asylum.

If the contract is going out to tender the tender documents will specify what is to be supplied. While Bernie is capable of anything if he thinks it will line his pockets I am confident Jean will put the sport first with the teams and Bernie's interests a close second so I can't see them going for the 18" proposal at this late stage without a very compelling reason. Mad Max is no longer dominating everything and the job of a governing body is to govern. They do however need to get on with it!

Incidentally the article does not say the teams have no say, it says the final choice rests with the FIA which is a very different thing and is as it should be.

herowassenna · 8 Jun 2010, 20:08 (Ref:2706930)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

I am confident Jean will put the sport first

Wow, after all his Ferrari biased decisions that people were worried about and how he didn't give 2 hoots about F1 when running Ferrari...

broadrun96 · 8 Jun 2010, 22:01 (Ref:2706976)

Just feels like the only way Todt would be sending tenders out would be if it included 13" wheels for at least 2011. After that who knows but would Michelin be a better provider for F1 even if they had to redesign the cars for 18s? It's not like Pirelli is a slouch and out of high end racing so I don't think they would embarrass themselves or F1 with their product.

wnut · 8 Jun 2010, 22:37 (Ref:2706994)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

Nice to know the dog's wagging the tail at last, we've had quite enough of the teams making the rules. Contributing to the debate, fair enough but the final decision on the rules is with the governing body and because of the control tyre situation the tyre deal is effectively part of the technical regulations.

Or to use different metaphor let's hope the lunatics are no longer in charge of the asylum.

I agree with the above and fourWheelDrift that Todt will put the interests of F1 first. The cost factor and time constraints involved in 18" wheels are of no concern, F1 chases massively expensive aero constantly and is supposed to be about innovation and road relevance, good, let them get on with the innovation and road relevance.

Only McLaren had F-ducts at the begining of the year and they were not banned because they were too expensive to copy.

The sooner F1 goes to 18" wheels and no aero the better!

ASCII Man · 8 Jun 2010, 22:46 (Ref:2706996)

18" wheels.

Right...

And spinners too?
Maybe hydro's to make 'em bounce, ese?

Oh right, no more active suspension.

wnut · 8 Jun 2010, 23:05 (Ref:2707000)

As opposed to 13"rims that would be more at home on an ATV.

Make each team nominate one or the other for next year!

Bet nobody would go with 13"

Marbot · 8 Jun 2010, 23:24 (Ref:2707009)

For next year, I think they would.

broadrun96 · 8 Jun 2010, 23:30 (Ref:2707011)

For next season? Think most would stick with 13s since they have started on the 2011 cars, now for the future I'm not so sure. 18s would increase the weight of the wheel and would be a big redesign for the teams.

JeremySmith · 8 Jun 2010, 23:31 (Ref:2707012)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

18" wheels.

Right...

And spinners too?
Maybe hydro's to make 'em bounce, ese?

Oh right, no more active suspension.

Can we have some purple neon with that please?

**Woolley** · 9 Jun 2010, 12:46 (Ref:2707228)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

18s would increase the weight of the wheel

...and therefore momentum in the event of an accident making it harder to keep attached and more dangerous if unattached.

Marbot · 9 Jun 2010, 13:36 (Ref:2707267)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

...and therefore momentum in the event of an accident making it harder to keep attached and more dangerous if unattached.

And would it be less 'bouncy' or more 'bouncy' ?

They would also require a complete redesign of the suspension systems because, currently, the tyre does quite a lot of the suspensions work.

grantp · 9 Jun 2010, 13:50 (Ref:2707274)

At end of life which wheel size makes the best coffee table support - 13" or 18"?

browney · 9 Jun 2010, 16:59 (Ref:2707498)

The longer they leave the decision, doesn't it guarantee sticking with 13s because the teams won't have time to design cars around 18s?

Teretonga · 9 Jun 2010, 20:58 (Ref:2707765)

Todt can becvome a hero or a pariah over this decision.
It will work for the teams (Hero) or against them (meaning it will not work and he will seem to have read it wrong , to everyones disgust).

Hehas avoided controvesy so far in his reign at the FIA, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

JeremySmith · 10 Jun 2010, 00:39 (Ref:2707907)

Okay so the tyres are? We would like to design and start to build cars for next year about now....

wnut · 10 Jun 2010, 06:32 (Ref:2707990)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Okay so the tyres are? We would like to design and start to build cars for next year about now....

Oh come on now Jeremy all you have to do is push the stub axle up the upright by 2.5".

ECW Dan Selby · 10 Jun 2010, 10:31 (Ref:2708120)

I think it's almost definite that they'll be standard 13's, at the very least until 2013.

But what the teams do need is information of the tyre that Pirelli will bring. Let's face it, it's as good as confirmed.

But this is something F1 needs to sort. These long, strung out decisions are doing nothing but hampering their progress. Someone needs to pull their finger out and make an announcement so the teams can begin preparation and gather some much needed data.

Selby

E.B · 15 Jun 2010, 08:34 (Ref:2712437)

The biggest problem to me of 18" wheels is the potential increase of the brake disc size this gives the designers and engineers to play with. IMO the brakes are already too efficient and have reduced the braking area too much already, and is one of the root problems of minimal passing these days.

JimW · 15 Jun 2010, 09:05 (Ref:2712452)

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

Nice to know the dog's wagging the tail at last, we've had quite enough of the teams making the rules. Contributing to the debate, fair enough but the final decision on the rules is with the governing body and because of the control tyre situation the tyre deal is effectively part of the technical regulations.

Or to use different metaphor let's hope the lunatics are no longer in charge of the asylum.

But you need to remember that without the lunatics, there would be no asylum.

Jim

fourWheelDrift · 15 Jun 2010, 11:50 (Ref:2712517)

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Originally Posted by JimW

But you need to remember that without the lunatics, there would be no asylum.

Jim

True, which is why the FIA must take the teams views into account but when the debate is over and a decision has to be made it should be the governing body who makes it.

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