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21 Aug 2001, 22:33 (Ref:133952)
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Greatest driver not to make it to F1
I'm just interested to hear all your views on the best driver who has NEVER raced in F1??? but should have/be been given the chance to!
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21 Aug 2001, 22:45 (Ref:133956)
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My Dad.. no seriously he just didnt have the money to make it.
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21 Aug 2001, 22:48 (Ref:133960)
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may seem like a stupid question......but who is ur dad???
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21 Aug 2001, 22:54 (Ref:133961)
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Tim Lee Davey.
He won formula ford star of tomorrow championship and ten it all fell apart. raced f3 with brundle and senna. i may be biased but he was a good driver. |
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22 Aug 2001, 00:13 (Ref:133993)
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Hey, I know Tim Lee Davey. He raced F3 in 1982 and 1983, I believe, in a Ralt-Toyota.
I'm sure I saw him race but I can't remember if this was at Zandvoort or someplace else. I think the best driver never to race in Formula One was Argentinian Jean-Manuel Bordeu, a protege of Fangio who was very succesful in Formula Junior. He got his chance at the French GP of 1961 in a Lotus-Climax for UDT Laystall Racing. He didn't start the race but I can't remember why. All I know is his car was raced by Lucien Bianchi that day. There were some teams interested in him but a testing accident at Goodwood ended his F1 career. |
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22 Aug 2001, 07:17 (Ref:134099)
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Russell Ingall, won 1993 British Formula Ford Championship but got nothing after that, and Mike Thackwell didn't get a proper go at F1 either.
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22 Aug 2001, 07:31 (Ref:134101)
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Nice topic. Jordi Gene (brother of Mark) deserved a crack at F1, so did Craig Lowndes, the Aussie V8 Supercar driver. Gonzalo Rodriguez proved to be quite talented, and as racer69 pointed out, Mike Thackwell deserved better, but of course he did make it to F1 for the small RAM team in the mid-1980's.
Of course, I could just list all the best NASCAR/CART drivers who haven't raced in F1, but that's not the point, is it? |
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22 Aug 2001, 12:07 (Ref:134202)
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22 Aug 2001, 12:42 (Ref:134218)
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Alf Barrett, Allan Tomlinson, Frank Matich...
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22 Aug 2001, 12:52 (Ref:134222)
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What about Bob Berridge? He's driven in BOSS and TGP's and is pretty awsome!
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22 Aug 2001, 13:02 (Ref:134225)
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None of them could have lived with Tomlinson, come to think of it...
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22 Aug 2001, 13:10 (Ref:134229)
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Well I think a great driver who did not get the job as a regular F1 driver was Junqueira. He did test for williams, but he desrved the seat, he had way more skills than Bottom(jenson). Well I think he got to F1 at the end, he drove an F1 car but he just could not shine.
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22 Aug 2001, 16:40 (Ref:134310)
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Jörg Müller or Kenny Bräck
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22 Aug 2001, 16:43 (Ref:134311)
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Martin Stretton and the one and only Barrie "Whizzo" Williams.
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22 Aug 2001, 16:51 (Ref:134316)
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 Problem=Paul Tracy could not fit into a F1 car..even using KY jelly! |
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22 Aug 2001, 17:21 (Ref:134332)
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didn't jorg muller drive a few races for sauber once???
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22 Aug 2001, 19:01 (Ref:134399)
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Acctually a Norwegian!
The Norwegian Race driver Tommy Rustad Deserved a Formula one seat.
he won the STCC last year (same as BTCC but it`s swedish), he won in the Nissan Primera. He almost made it.. but because of the money he did`nt.. but i can say one thing.... He`s GOOD!! |
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22 Aug 2001, 19:11 (Ref:134415)
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Yup, Martin Sretton gets my vote too. Anyone who has seen him in the six wheel Tyrrel will understand why. He's just awesome.
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22 Aug 2001, 20:22 (Ref:134460)
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Marc Hynes. He beat both Burti and Button in the 1999 British F3 Championship.
Brack does not deserve an F1 seat. I agree that Jordi Gene should have got an F1 seat. |
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22 Aug 2001, 22:17 (Ref:134542)
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TimD. Martin Stretton and the one and only Barrie "Whizzo" Williams.
I agree anyone who has seen "whizzo" in a Healey 3000. Wow!!!! Using the apex kerb at copse to lauch his was through with all four wheels off the ground gets my vote . |
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22 Aug 2001, 22:19 (Ref:134543)
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Ah but did you see Stretton at Goodwood last year? Six wheel slides on every bend done with total control
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22 Aug 2001, 22:30 (Ref:134550)
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* comes to mind * Gonzalo Rodriguez. RIP
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22 Aug 2001, 22:54 (Ref:134567)
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no i disagree about marc hynes! i don't feel he won that championship with talent - i think he had a superior car and then when was given the chance in f3000 didn't do much with it. He has also had a test in a BAR f1 which came to nothing ......so he can't b all that great!
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23 Aug 2001, 07:44 (Ref:134691)
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jiggy puff..Jorg muller has never driven in a GP .he has only tested for Williams I believe ..and i think he should of at least get a shot.
Jordi gene for sure Ray I agree about frank matich ..only read about him but sounds very good indeed. dont know about lowndes though.. Antonio Tamborini , Alain ferte , Michelle trolle , jean luc picard , fabrixio giovanardi and marco apicella and stepan sarrazin. |
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23 Aug 2001, 07:54 (Ref:134696)
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Even Cranky Franky's enemies said he would have made it...
But I think Tomlinson would have been better, and David McKay says Barrett was the best ever... but he never saw Tomlinson and I don't think he studied history. Barrett did to a 5:40 lap at Lobethal, and I think Tomlinson got down to around the neat six minutes... that's pretty fantastic stuff. Barrett, of course, did 3 mins at Bathurst in a 1932 racing car, too. Just so you can see a bit of what I am talking about, here's a little bit of Lobethal:  And this is Barrett at play...  Obviously he had a quicker car than Tomlinson...  Franky, though, was from a different era...  Another Shane Cowham drawing... Last edited by Ray Bell; 23 Aug 2001 at 08:00. |
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