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Old 30 May 2001, 09:32 (Ref:98702)   #1
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Remember this...

Mark Webber, Le Mans 1999...
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Old 30 May 2001, 12:02 (Ref:98803)   #2
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You know, I'm not sure I've actually seen that image...bloody scary though.

Can you send me a copy please?
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Old 30 May 2001, 23:24 (Ref:99091)   #3
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i wonder what the driver of the Oreca viper was thinking when he saw that in his mirror?? And why didn't the other Merc [ the one in the foreground] flip over then too? That flip dropped the no.4 car out of the race as only no.s 5 and 6 competed , 6 went airbourne and 5 was pulled out. shame as it have been better if they had all been racing as they would have had a good chance of winning , pending reliablility as they were faster than the BMWs.
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Old 30 May 2001, 23:54 (Ref:99107)   #4
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Can you send me a copy please?
From where I sit, I think you already have one... I have...

As for the reason the other didn't go, the aerodynamic circumstances must have been different, closer to another car or further from it, perhaps actual part of the track came into it, proximity to fence.

The other interesting thing was that Mercedes took no note of Webber when he tried to tell them it just happened, that he hadn't done something silly... but they paid for that mistake...

Agreed, they deserve a win at Le Mans, had it shot to bits in 1955 and pulled out, too, didn't they?

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Old 31 May 2001, 12:03 (Ref:99267)   #5
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Well it is trying to save it as attachment.php. Not really much use as is then...
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Old 31 May 2001, 19:17 (Ref:99429)   #6
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You know that actually happened 3 times to the Mercedes that year, once in testing and twice at the Le Mans meeting.. plus the team manager spoke to Adrian Newey the night before the race to try to sort the problem.. they ignored his advice....(hence the picture!!)
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Old 31 May 2001, 21:00 (Ref:99466)   #7
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Newey wasn't really the right man to ask- as he explaned in 'Autosport' shortly after the event- he is an F1 expert, not a GT expert so it was a little unfair of them to call him iin the small hours in his Canada hotel!!
The flip during the race happened while we were cycling between Arnage and somewhere else, when we got back to the trackside the safety cars were out and it was quite some time before we knew what had happened! We saw the footage later on a t.v. in a catering tent, quite a shock!
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Old 31 May 2001, 21:12 (Ref:99472)   #8
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I remeber that Mercedes Le Mans 1999, what a disaster!!!! That is not tbe only make to have cars flip, Porsche 911 GT1-98 at Petit Le Mans (Road Atlanta), Audi R8 at Lausitring (Michele Alboreto, we will never forget), another Porsche 911 GT1-98 at Homestead.
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Old 31 May 2001, 21:23 (Ref:99479)   #9
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There is quite a few MPEG files on the net showing about 10 secs of the flip. I have one downloaded but unable to trace where I got it from. First of all try some of the Le Mans specialist sites & scroll back to June / July lat year.

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Old 1 Jun 2001, 17:06 (Ref:99843)   #10
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hakkiman, also there was the bmw lmr at the petit le mans last year as well, same place as the porsche
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Old 1 Jun 2001, 20:00 (Ref:99927)   #11
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Didn't Mark Webber land upside-down and wear through the top of the car before he got stopped? Seems to me I remember that.
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Audi R8 at Lausitring (Michele Alboreto, we will never forget) [/B]
Before Audi start thinking of suing anyone here, can I just check something, wasn't it a tyre problem which contributed to the loss of Michele ?

elephino, right click the image and select 'save as.' When the box pops up, select the location you wish to save it to and enter a new name - lemans.gif or .jpg or whatever it is... try that ?
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Old 2 Jun 2001, 14:38 (Ref:100188)   #13
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nasty stuff indeed.

3 times it happened to mercedes during the le mans meeting..mark webber flipped in qualifying and then in the morning warm up and therefore resulting in his car being pulled from the race...the 2 other mercedes started the event but sadly it happened a third time..this picture is actually of scottsman peter dumbreck flying off the track during the race ..thankfully he wasnt seriously hurt in the crash but rather shaken..mercedes in all their wisdom then decided to pull the 3rd car out of the race on safety grounds..as if 2 flips wasnt enough ???
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Old 2 Jun 2001, 14:43 (Ref:100190)   #14
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Craig Antill: yes tyre failure did, but the car flipped as a result.
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Old 2 Jun 2001, 16:05 (Ref:100218)   #15
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I think it's strange that they went at all - seeing as the car had previously flipped in testing.. shouldn't have let it race.

Have they sorted out the problems with these cars yet, I did note that they were busy flatening out large bumps in USA tracks.

On Alboreto's accident, I thought the car flipped after it had struck a barrier - I think any type of car may have gone over at the speed he was travelling.. Tragic, and the only case where a driver has been killed / seriously injured by a sportscar doing this??
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Old 3 Jun 2001, 11:35 (Ref:100432)   #16
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It did not happen at all in testing.

It happened twice to Mark Webber at Le Mans, once in practice and once during the warm up. Then it happened to Dumbreck in the race itself at which point Mercedes withdrew.

Not sure which time Mark laneded on the wheels and which one he landed on the roof with. I think it was wheels during the warmup.
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So, is this picture of Webber or Dumbreck? (Marcus says it's Dumbreck.)

I remember seeing the Dumbreck incident live on TV back in 99. Scary stuff...
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Old 3 Jun 2001, 16:55 (Ref:100625)   #18
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This sort of flip has been happening in Sports Cars for many years. It happened about 1965 to John Surtees at Mosport, and someone else, as I recall. Surtees was hospitalised for a time with his injuries.

At Bathurst in 1969 such a flip claimed the live of Bevan Gibson.
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Old 3 Jun 2001, 17:30 (Ref:100649)   #19
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There's a picture on the Club Arnage site of the No.4 Mercedes after the qualifying accident, I think that is Webbers car.

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I took this shot on the Friday afternoon, Mark Webber looking like a kid who's just broken his new toy.....
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Old 6 Jun 2001, 12:45 (Ref:101792)   #21
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Testing my memory, but I believe Mercedes ran 4, 5 and 6 with Webber in car 4 and Dumbreck in 5. With car 4 being the main one, lucky Mark
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It did not happen at all in testing
I seem remember reading on the sportscarworld/totalmotorsport.com website after the '99 race they had the 'conspiracy theory' that three crashed CLKs were at the factory for storage/repair. The Webber car wrecked in warm-up and the Dumbreck 'flying' car were two, so the third was either a car which had flipped during one of the private tests or the car which Webber flipped in qualifying and a subsequently swapped for a whole new car for the race (against the rules...)

At Pre-Qual '99 one of the Mercs also had a crash officially due to 'suspension failure' but maybe that took to the air..?
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Old 7 Jun 2001, 07:18 (Ref:102126)   #23
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I heard the flipped in testing story from another source, one which I'd totally believe.. think that Merc tried to cover it up somewhat. Perhaps that'll never come out - well until the drivers involved aren't thinking about their ftures with Mercedes that is..
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