What is Aston Martin up to? - Page 112

Gilles lives! · 19 May 2011, 18:13 (Ref:2882765)

Well if they can get one car to 12HRS leaving the other to run flat out from the start, then that will be a fine effort considering their teething troubles.

The Badger · 21 May 2011, 22:05 (Ref:2883662)

Yeah ...... a totally brilliant reason to enter a 24 hour race .

They should pull out in my opinion . Let the Robertson Ford and something else in .

Its not a place where they should be parading their efforts , on the international stage , quite yet . Dont get me wrong , I want to see it there , but only if it deserves it ..... Lets face it , at presant the Lavaggi has a better record .

Joe Taylor · 21 May 2011, 23:32 (Ref:2883687)

So they shouldn't have let the MGs enter in 2001
Or the Audi R8C in 1999
Or the Peugeot 905 in 1991

Clearly none of those were ready for the race.

nobster · 22 May 2011, 09:18 (Ref:2883811)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Taylor

So they shouldn't have let the MGs enter in 2001
Or the Audi R8C in 1999
Or the Peugeot 905 in 1991

Clearly none of those were ready for the race.

No they weren't but some of them provided lots of spectacle, Still remember the Peugeot pit fire in 1991 and those fast laps of the MG's.
Who knows what Aston Martin will give us this year, maybe they could be in for a surprise.
That Peugeot and MG were clearly faster cars at that time, the Aston Martin is so far not giving any signs of being spectacularly fast at all.

JAG · 22 May 2011, 17:34 (Ref:2884000)

Given Aston provided the only credible opposition to Corvette, jumped to the head of the petrol P1 field, and are now commited to supplying four customer cars, in addition to outings in the ILMC and ALMS, more than anyone they have earned respect and time to get things in order.

WMUCarGuy · 22 May 2011, 18:37 (Ref:2884033)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Given Aston provided the only credible opposition to Corvette, jumped to the head of the petrol P1 field, and are now commited to supplying four customer cars, in addition to outings in the ILMC and ALMS, more than anyone they have earned respect and time to get things in order.

While this is true, given the current state of manufacturer involvement in top level sports cars, there just is no time for this to happen. If you don't come ready to race with something competitive, you're going to be in an uphill battle the entire time, and if you don't make BIG improvements quickly, the program is going to get binned.

Aston is in perhaps a bit different situation than some other manufacturers given their corporate makeup is many of the same people involved in the racing program, but still, if you bring an embarrassingly bad car to the track and it's just destroyed either in performance, or by your own lack of reliability, might it be better to just not be there at all? I think that's probably the viewpoint of many automakers these days.

Fogelhund · 22 May 2011, 19:46 (Ref:2884064)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Given Aston provided the only credible opposition to Corvette, jumped to the head of the petrol P1 field, and are now commited to supplying four customer cars, in addition to outings in the ILMC and ALMS, more than anyone they have earned respect and time to get things in order.

When you say committed to supplying four customer cars, I think you mean willing to SELL four cars, provide support, for a very healthy profit margin. (IF anyone actually has the funds)

AstonGeoff · 23 May 2011, 07:18 (Ref:2884239)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

When you say committed to supplying four customer cars, I think you mean willing to SELL four cars, provide support, for a very healthy profit margin. (IF anyone actually has the funds)

AMR have claimed all along that they have sold five of the six cars planned already, and last I heard were in negotiations for the last one.

Tim the Grey · 23 May 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2884400)

I just hope the echoing silence is because they're all smiling...
I doubt it, but I hope so.
Those who think Prodrive and AMR are separate entities? They aren't. AMR are a large industrial unit within the corner of Wildmere Industrial Estate that is owned by Prodrive... It's all the same folks.

Acid09 · 23 May 2011, 14:21 (Ref:2884493)

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Originally Posted by AstonGeoff

AMR have claimed all along that they have sold five of the six cars planned already, and last I heard were in negotiations for the last one.

Hard to believe considering the car's poor performance so far. Who would buy something like that before seing it run competitively at least once?

Highcroft and Honda weren't able to sell the new ARX despite a very strong outing at Sebring and AM sells five cars of a model that has yet to run at LMP2 speed at least? Ridiculous...

JAG · 23 May 2011, 14:34 (Ref:2884500)

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Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

While this is true, given the current state of manufacturer involvement in top level sports cars, there just is no time for this to happen. If you don't come ready to race with something competitive, you're going to be in an uphill battle the entire time, and if you don't make BIG improvements quickly, the program is going to get binned.

Aston is in perhaps a bit different situation than some other manufacturers given their corporate makeup is many of the same people involved in the racing program, but still, if you bring an embarrassingly bad car to the track and it's just destroyed either in performance, or by your own lack of reliability, might it be better to just not be there at all? I think that's probably the viewpoint of many automakers these days.

The viewing public has no idea how good or bad the car is, nor it's potential. It's public debut was a good six months too early, but circumstances of how the program was funded, and the commitment to appear at the test day, led to this unfortunate situation.

I have no doubt the car will ultimatelly be one of the best in the field, but only after Prodrive have put in the kind of mileage and development their other programs have had, i.e the new Mini.

**Bentley03** · 23 May 2011, 14:36 (Ref:2884503)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Highcroft and Honda weren't able to sell the new ARX despite a very strong outing at Sebring and AM sells five cars of a model that has yet to run at LMP2 speed at least? Ridiculous...

It's an Aston Martin, a very limited edition one, and it has been cleverly marketed (to collectors, I assume).

The Badger · 23 May 2011, 14:38 (Ref:2884505)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Hard to believe considering the car's poor performance so far. Who would buy something like that before seing it run competitively at least once?

Highcroft and Honda weren't able to sell the new ARX despite a very strong outing at Sebring and AM sells five cars of a model that has yet to run at LMP2 speed at least? Ridiculous...

Its called pedigree .

I suspect the cars were already sold before the lay up started .

I bet if Ferrari and Toyota built 10 each P1 cars tomorrow , the Ferrari's wouldnt last long with respect to collectors ...... who wants a bloody Toyota !!!

I dont mean that lightly about Toyota , but Ferrari has more pedigree that Toyota , and thats exactly why the AMR one has sold .

Audi Racer · 23 May 2011, 15:27 (Ref:2884528)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Its called pedigree .

I suspect the cars were already sold before the lay up started .

I bet if Ferrari and Toyota built 10 each P1 cars tomorrow , the Ferrari's wouldnt last long with respect to collectors ...... who wants a bloody Toyota !!!

I dont mean that lightly about Toyota , but Ferrari has more pedigree that Toyota , and thats exactly why the AMR one has sold .

? Who in their right mind wouldn't give an arm and a leg given the chance to obtain a toyota gt-one from 99. the best looking car by far. It was also the fastest of that time.

the toyota didint lose because it was unreliable. It lost because it kept having tyre failures

CTD · 23 May 2011, 15:37 (Ref:2884538)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

the toyota didint lose because it was unreliable. It lost because it kept having tyre failures

Which is also a reliability fault in the car...

The Badger · 23 May 2011, 15:42 (Ref:2884545)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

? Who in their right mind wouldn't give an arm and a leg given the chance to obtain a toyota gt-one from 99. the best looking car by far. It was also the fastest of that time.

The toyota didint lose because it was unreliable. It lost because it kept having tyre failures

The main tyre failure , the one that mattered most was caused by THomas Bsher and his BMW .

Im not debating that . I was pointing out that Aston Martin has more pedigree , and thats why it sells so well .

Dont start about the Toyota , as that wasnt the topic of the conversation .

The Badger · 23 May 2011, 15:45 (Ref:2884547)

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Originally Posted by Joe Taylor

So they shouldn't have let the MGs enter in 2001
Or the Audi R8C in 1999
Or the Peugeot 905 in 1991

Clearly none of those were ready for the race.

Clearly you are correct ..... but they were capable of a quick lap at least , which the AMR one isnt .

905 was for new 3.5 litre rules , so was in regardless .

The MG lead the race and was quick outta the box .

The Badger · 23 May 2011, 15:46 (Ref:2884548)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Which is also a reliability fault in the car...

You cant blame the car for a mistake from Thomas Bsher !!!

Lots of cars have tyre issues at le Mans , maybe something to do with the grade of gravel used ?

JAG · 23 May 2011, 15:48 (Ref:2884551)

The R8C was ten to fifteen seconds off the pace, and plagued by reliability issues.

The AMR-One's pace is unknown, it's public running has been little more than a test with a detuned engine.

rich07 · 25 May 2011, 04:09 (Ref:2885553)

First rendering of the Zagato Aston that will be raced by AMR at this year's Nurburgring 24hrs.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Se...cer-2011-news/

The first race for the car will be this weekends race of the VLN.

Pandamasque · 25 May 2011, 04:11 (Ref:2885554)

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Originally Posted by JAG

The R8C was ten to fifteen seconds off the pace, and plagued by reliability issues.

But it was very pretty.

Mike_Wooshy · 25 May 2011, 05:24 (Ref:2885561)

They say beauty is with the eye of the beholder.....

AstonGeoff · 25 May 2011, 21:21 (Ref:2885889)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich07

First rendering of the Zagato Aston that will be raced by AMR at this year's Nurburgring 24hrs.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Se...cer-2011-news/

The first race for the car will be this weekends race of the VLN.

Actually it will be raced by AML and not AMR The works Vantage V8/V12 entries at the N24 have all come from AML, starting with Rose of course.

rich07 · 26 May 2011, 00:47 (Ref:2885942)

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Originally Posted by AstonGeoff

Actually it will be raced by AML and not AMR The works Vantage V8/V12 entries at the N24 have all come from AML, starting with Rose of course.

AML? Aston Martin Lagonda?

?

Pandamasque · 26 May 2011, 00:51 (Ref:2885944)

Yes, Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd. The road car division.

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