V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 62

Goat Boy · 22 Apr 2012, 10:19 (Ref:3063553)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

Interesting to hear that Boothy was pressing the flesh on pitlane at Hamilton looking for a co-driver.... it seems the "arms race" for co-drivers is well and truely here...

Hmmm, maybe but there is no reason a driver can't drive SC's and ST's at the same time. SC's have pretty big budgets and the drivers have pretty good pay - unless you are racing for TKR...

Goat Boy · 22 Apr 2012, 20:08 (Ref:3063857)

And by the way, to Promax et al who are continually using the picture of Andy Knights car up in flames then using the :ROTFL: icon, I recall not too long ago you all berated NZST Fan for smirking when one of the NZV8's had a bit of a bingle and bent the car a little.

I don't condone anyone getting any amusement from a driver's misfortune (although a bit of paint swapping never hurt anyone) and you guys need to understand how hypocritical it makes you look.

That would have been pretty bl**dy scary for poor Andy, and I daresay you would not be laughing about it PM if that was your boy in that car...

flyingduck · 22 Apr 2012, 21:26 (Ref:3063890)

So are there any changes happening for the cars for round 3,

Southern Man · 22 Apr 2012, 22:25 (Ref:3063909)

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Originally Posted by flyingduck

So are there any changes happening for the cars for round 3,

I hear that the teams are to be allowed to remove the sump from the engine to allow access to the dry sump pump for some checks and/or modifications to the system to be undertaken

NZSTfan · 23 Apr 2012, 00:22 (Ref:3063953)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

And by the way, to Promax et al who are continually using the picture of Andy Knights car up in flames then using the :ROTFL: icon, I recall not too long ago you all berated NZST Fan for smirking when one of the NZV8's had a bit of a bingle and bent the car a little.

I don't condone anyone getting any amusement from a driver's misfortune (although a bit of paint swapping never hurt anyone) and you guys need to understand how hypocritical it makes you look.

That would have been pretty bl**dy scary for poor Andy, and I daresay you would not be laughing about it PM if that was your boy in that car...

Thanks for that GB, i was gunna post something along the same lines.

NZSTfan · 23 Apr 2012, 00:24 (Ref:3063954)

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Originally Posted by Southern Man

I hear that the teams are to be allowed to remove the sump from the engine to allow access to the dry sump pump for some checks and/or modifications to the system to be undertaken

It will be cool if they can stop the oil issue that they had at Ruapuna, and i have heard that some mods from an Aussie engine builder are on the cards

Chappelli · 23 Apr 2012, 05:33 (Ref:3064019)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Hmmm, maybe but there is no reason a driver can't drive SC's and ST's at the same time. SC's have pretty big budgets and the drivers have pretty good pay - unless you are racing for TKR...

I guess that's the point. If you're paid $500k a year to race a car, why would you want to do it for free?

It's like the Bathurst co-driver situation.... except it's a scramble for the best of the best (not the best of the rest).... Will we see teams having to spend 5 or 6 figures to have a shot at winning?

Certainly an interesting conversation for a class that's set up to neutralise the advantage from spending money.

Goat Boy · 23 Apr 2012, 07:48 (Ref:3064061)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

I guess that's the point. If you're paid $500k a year to race a car, why would you want to do it for free?

It's like the Bathurst co-driver situation.... except it's a scramble for the best of the best (not the best of the rest).... Will we see teams having to spend 5 or 6 figures to have a shot at winning?

Certainly an interesting conversation for a class that's set up to neutralise the advantage from spending money.

Well there seems plenty of interest from afar to drive, especially the enduros, so maybe some drivers just like the idea of it...

DX20VT · 23 Apr 2012, 07:58 (Ref:3064067)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

I guess that's the point. If you're paid $500k a year to race a car, why would you want to do it for free?

It's also if your paying someone $500k a year to drive your for your team,

1. Do you want to let them run the risk of getting injured driving something else?

2. Or let them drive for someone else for free when you have to pay them big money?

on_to_it · 23 Apr 2012, 10:50 (Ref:3064176)

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Originally Posted by DX20VT

2. Or let them drive for someone else for free when you have to pay them big money?

For free! Not much in motorsport is free my friend unless you happen to be a very big name (or you are repaying some favours

)

Plenty of ST owners are asking $45-$60k (or thereabouts) for a co-drive in those three rounds, and getting it!

promax · 23 Apr 2012, 23:26 (Ref:3064575)

V8 SuperTourers to recall control engines

hopefully there won't be any more damaged engines on the weekend

Ugy · 24 Apr 2012, 00:19 (Ref:3064591)

Yeah.... fingers crossed

Goat Boy · 24 Apr 2012, 00:35 (Ref:3064595)

It's fortunate that they now have a winter break to get the issues sorted, I recall that the early draft of the calendars the racing went right through.

In my (sometimes humble) opinion it was a good idea to move the most wintery races to the spring, September is a much nicer time of the year and has a fair bit more daylight too. Not sure if the original intention for any of the enduros was to drive at night although that might have been fun too

smokin'joe · 24 Apr 2012, 06:43 (Ref:3064660)

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Originally Posted by promax

V8 SuperTourers to recall control engines

hopefully there won't be any more damaged engines on the weekend

not weanting to sound like a stuck record, but............ real race testing (instead of a few hotlaps in clean air) would have found these issues.

poor ol' Petchy, he rushed a new car away from MSNZ, and has delivered a good chassis..................that's all

promax · 24 Apr 2012, 07:08 (Ref:3064674)

you not into photo op testing.. with lot's of media around?

smokin'joe · 24 Apr 2012, 07:32 (Ref:3064687)

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Originally Posted by promax

you not into photo op testing.. with lot's of media around?

nothing wrong with a decent media day to spark enthusiasim. works for many motorsport teams/classes, but real time 'live testing' is another especially with an unproven package that 'in theory' will work.

not a snipe, but merely an honest observation. the previous classes Mr Petch has been deeply involved with ,have evolved from other exsisting classes, not a 'clean sheet' like NZST.

Intrepid · 24 Apr 2012, 09:22 (Ref:3064744)

How do you suggest "real race testing"?

Is that not what they are doing now. I think we all need to understand that in newly developed series' there will always be teething issues. Not ideal for arm chair experts, or those invested in teams/cars/drivers but to think that from R1 - Round 1 there was to be no mechanical issues at all is just silly. I sympathise with the teams, but if there is a good thing to come from this - when issues arise, you adapt to ensure they dont happen again.

Its a new class, all teams take the financial risk that things MAY and PROBABLY will go wrong in season one.

The interim fixes are in place (fingers crossed they work) for this weekend, the winter break will be a good opportunity to assess everything and come back stronger.

Making the best of a unfortunate situation would be a good platform for moving forwards.

Jerico · 24 Apr 2012, 09:42 (Ref:3064748)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

nothing wrong with a decent media day to spark enthusiasim. works for many motorsport teams/classes, but real time 'live testing' is another especially with an unproven package that 'in theory' will work.

not a snipe, but merely an honest observation. the previous classes Mr Petch has been deeply involved with ,have evolved from other exsisting classes, not a 'clean sheet' like NZST.

What testing has the MRX boys been doing? Even the all and end all of world motor racing (Supercars) had their problems in the early years. Still they blow the odd engine ect. We will see how reliable the new SC car is in it's first year. And how good the MRX car turns out to be? I hope MRX have learnt to build chassis by now. You don't want another soft old box. 10 or so wet weather rockets.

What engines are they going to run again, car engines not race engines. Two lots of problems. Just an observation.

Jerico · 24 Apr 2012, 09:46 (Ref:3064750)

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Originally Posted by Intrepid

How do you suggest "real race testing"?

Is that not what they are doing now. I think we all need to understand that in newly developed series' there will always be teething issues. Not ideal for arm chair experts, or those invested in teams/cars/drivers but to think that from R1 - Round 1 there was to be no mechanical issues at all is just silly. I sympathise with the teams, but if there is a good thing to come from this - when issues arise, you adapt to ensure they dont happen again.

Its a new class, all teams take the financial risk that things MAY and PROBABLY will go wrong in season one.

The interim fixes are in place (fingers crossed they work) for this weekend, the winter break will be a good opportunity to assess everything and come back stronger.

Making the best of a unfortunate situation would be a good platform for moving forwards.

I agree 100%

promax · 24 Apr 2012, 10:15 (Ref:3064768)

race engine?

Mixer · 24 Apr 2012, 10:25 (Ref:3064773)

Anybody criticising ANYBODY for engine reliability obviously hasn't raced anything...

Wasn't that long ago in the V8s FPR's engines were blowing up wholesale, 888 has had problems this year, HRT as well. It happens to everybody.

Like anything in hindsight its easy to say you should have done more testing, but it all costs money...

Jerico · 24 Apr 2012, 10:29 (Ref:3064776)

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Originally Posted by promax

race engine?

I was not talking about the LS7. I know what that engine is thank you. Any photos of yourself PM?

promax · 24 Apr 2012, 10:32 (Ref:3064778)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Anybody criticising ANYBODY for engine reliability obviously hasn't raced anything...

Wasn't that long ago in the V8s FPR's engines were blowing up wholesale, 888 has had problems this year, HRT as well. It happens to everybody.

Like anything in hindsight its easy to say you should have done more testing, but it all costs money...

one of the selling points of this class was engine reliabilty.. claims of the engine lasting 2 seasons with out being touched, etc, etc..

promax · 24 Apr 2012, 10:35 (Ref:3064779)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

I was not talking about the LS7. I know what that engine is thank you. Any photos of yourself PM?

isn't there a drivers meet and greet in pn on friday? which st would you like me to pose next to?

Mixer · 24 Apr 2012, 10:37 (Ref:3064783)

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Originally Posted by promax

one of the selling points of this class was engine reliabilty.. claims of the engine lasting 2 seasons with out being touched, etc, etc..

Yes but you never know how your aero kit allows engine cooling until you test them in packs, and you know people are going to drive harder in a race than in any testing.

I'm surprised a crate race engine gets fuel surge, but its not the first time its happened and I am sure it won't be the last...

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