USCC (leave your axe outside)

[ttdriver2009]

What about getting rid of IMSA? Have Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta part of the WEC then they have just P1, GTLM and GT3 as classes. Since NASCAR is only about making money and the majority of the fans want to see this, why can't NASCAR do this? It's a great way to make money. Is NASCAR that stupid that they don't see this money making opportunity? Seems that they are.

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

What about getting rid of IMSA? Have Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta part of the WEC then they have just P1, GTLM and GT3 as classes. Since NASCAR is only about making money and the majority of the fans want to see this, why can't NASCAR do this? It's a great way to make money. Is NASCAR that stupid that they don't see this money making opportunity? Seems that they are.

Having only 4 sports car races is not enough to generate interest. A North American sports car series is vital for the health of world wide sports car racing. Without a NA series, almost all the American teams would look elsewhere since none have a huge budget. And the WEC making 4 trips to North America isn't possible either.

[Gulf]

Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

What about getting rid of IMSA? Have Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta part of the WEC then they have just P1, GTLM and GT3 as classes. Since NASCAR is only about making money and the majority of the fans want to see this, why can't NASCAR do this? It's a great way to make money. Is NASCAR that stupid that they don't see this money making opportunity? Seems that they are.

I have stalked this forum for a long time with out registering but this post is such a great idea I just had to tell you. It would be a dream come true.

[Hendrix]

Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

What about getting rid of IMSA? Have Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta part of the WEC then they have just P1, GTLM and GT3 as classes. Since NASCAR is only about making money and the majority of the fans want to see this, why can't NASCAR do this? It's a great way to make money. Is NASCAR that stupid that they don't see this money making opportunity? Seems that they are.

It has nothing to do with what NASCAR wants as they have no control over what the FIA does with the WEC.

[Gulf]

Originally Posted by Hendrix

It has nothing to do with what NASCAR wants as they have no control over what the FIA does with the WEC.

If ISC/Nascar/the Frances offered I think the FIA would gladly run there. They could even keep the NAEC to encourage American only teams to run.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Matt

Doing quick math, if a P2 is ~1980lb and makes 450 HP, the new DP, weighing ~2280lb should be at about 520 HP to have the same power to weight ratios. Anyone know what the downforce numbers are between the two?

Before the season started I think I remember hearing the P2's still have slightly more downforce, even with the upgrades to the DP's.

You bring up a good point about power to weight ratios though. DP's currently have around 600 horses, and with less downforce they can really scoot on the straights.

[Hendrix]

Originally Posted by Gulf

If ISC/Nascar/the Frances offered I think the FIA would gladly run there. They could even keep the NAEC to encourage American only teams to run.

The only race I can see them adding would be Sebring. Daytona hasn't been relevant on the international level for awhile, they dropped Petit Le Mans in favor of Bahrain so I doubt they hold it in very high regard and I don't think Watkins Glen would meet their safety standards.

Plus I doubt fans would be very happy when one country gets 5 races while every other country only gets 1.

[TF110]

I think there are teams in the U.S. that could run an lmp1, but they dont want to. Haas is trying to enter F1, that has to take up a big chunk of money. Imo, teams are content with the 'cheap' dp's that can now win what they call the premiere sportscar races in the U.S. They dont care for the wec. Its like an American centric mentality. Its not great to have that thinking imo, but they disagree.

[Pandemonium]

Originally Posted by TF110

I think there are teams in the U.S. that could run an lmp1, but they dont want to. Haas is trying to enter F1, that has to take up a big chunk of money. Imo, teams are content with the 'cheap' dp's that can now win what they call the premiere sportscar races in the U.S. They dont care for the wec. Its like an American centric mentality. Its not great to have that thinking imo, but they disagree.

Becuase most of the teams racing in the TUSC are hillbillies

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by TF110

I think there are teams in the U.S. that could run an lmp1, but they dont want to. Haas is trying to enter F1, that has to take up a big chunk of money. Imo, teams are content with the 'cheap' dp's that can now win what they call the premiere sportscar races in the U.S. They dont care for the wec. Its like an American centric mentality. Its not great to have that thinking imo, but they disagree.

Considering the exposure of the WEC, and sponsor commitments, why would an American team race in the WEC? I can't see a strong business case for it.

[Gulf]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Considering the exposure of the WEC, and sponsor commitments, why would an American team race in the WEC? I can't see a strong business case for it.

Well in reality is there a case to sponsor sports cars at all? NASCAR, the NFL, NBA are all better more visible options. So Sports car sponsorship cheaper? Probably.

[FLGTFAN]

Originally Posted by Pandemonium

Becuase most of the teams racing in the TUSC are hillbillies

Ridiculous statement, no matter what your opinion is.

[FLGTFAN]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Considering the exposure of the WEC, and sponsor commitments, why would an American team race in the WEC? I can't see a strong business case for it.

I could make a case for Muscle Milk, but yeah, the possibilities are few.

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/10296...totype-chassis
This news is gutting.
A common spec chassis, with brand specific "decorations" and different engines.

The 2017 P2 car will be dreadful! What are they thinking?

Some clarification of the proposed 2017 P2 spec from Scot Elkins on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/scotelkins?origi...45399238119424
It may not be as bad as it first sounded.

Scot Elkins ‏@scotelkins All, pls realize that for the 2017 car, spec is specification-not single make-all p1 tubs are same specification-exactly the same idea

Scot Elkins ‏@scotelkins Actually the idea is to use the p1 specification for the tub of the new car-latest safety spec And room for taller drivers

Scot Elkins ‏@scotelkins Actually the idea is to use the p1 specification for the tub of the new car-latest safety spec And room for taller drivers

It is really helpful that some are taking the time to interact with fans.

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by Gulf

Well in reality is there a case to sponsor sports cars at all? NASCAR, the NFL, NBA are all better more visible options. So Sports car sponsorship cheaper? Probably.

Yeah, I think so albeit limited.

Originally Posted by FLGTFAN

I could make a case for Muscle Milk, but yeah, the possibilities are few.

Yup and maybe Patron. They way it is now you would have to give up your US exposure to do that. Hopefully the WEC takes off and gets some coverage here.

[Maelochs]

Well, thanks a ton Scot Elkins for clearing that up. I will sleep easier ... a bit of an exaggeration, but seriously, thanks a ton for that clarification.

[PointDSM]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Well, thanks a ton Scot Elkins for clearing that up. I will sleep easier ... a bit of an exaggeration, but seriously, thanks a ton for that clarification.

That type of top-level attitude will make dividends going forward. Man deserves a pat on the back and a hand-shake for the effort he puts forth explaining his positions.

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by PointDSM

That type of top-level attitude will make dividends going forward. Man deserves a pat on the back and a hand-shake for the effort he puts forth explaining his positions.

Definitely agree. I was really, really concerned with the Racer article, and Elkins' clarifications really helped my attitude.

[Matt]

Just hypothetically.

Say this car was fitted with modern rubber and the chassis was made of carbon fiber and the whole shemozzle would pass all current safety specs...how fast do you think it'd go, and would you watch a series like that?



Like, imagine if this as what a 2017 P1/2 car looked like...they'd produce more downforce than current cars, iirc.

[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by Matt

Just hypothetically.

Say this car was fitted with modern rubber and the chassis was made of carbon fiber and the whole shemozzle would pass all current safety specs...how fast do you think it'd go, and would you watch a series like that?



Like, imagine if this as what a 2017 P1/2 car looked like...they'd produce more downforce than current cars, iirc.

The XJR-14 ran a 1:46.248 at Silverstone Classic qualifying vs this year's Audi R18 at 1:42.477. I think just finding a way for it to work on modern tires would make it just as fast, if not faster.

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by Matt

and would you watch a series like that?

This shouldn't even be asked, the answer is so obvious!

It's a damn shame those cars only lasted a couple years.

[DistortedSmile]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

The XJR-14 ran a 1:46.248 at Silverstone Classic qualifying vs this year's Audi R18 at 1:42.477. I think just finding a way for it to work on modern tires would make it just as fast, if not faster.

The Peugeot 905 got pole at Le Mans 1992 with a 3:21.200, that's faster than last year's pole by the R18 (even though that car could probably have gone faster than the 3:22.346 it qualified with IMO).

[Rodger Davies]

No, I wouldn't want to see that any more than I wanted to see IMSA's spec-CanAm (now there's an oxymoron) throwback car last year.

I'd rather see something that produces its own history rather than adopting another periods'.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

The XJR-14 ran a 1:46.248 at Silverstone Classic qualifying vs this year's Audi R18 at 1:42.477. I think just finding a way for it to work on modern tires would make it just as fast, if not faster.

Yes, but with a faster version of the Vale-Club complex.

[Fogelhund]

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/d...us-on-fia-wec/

Paul Dalla Lana will not mount full-season TUDOR United SportsCar Championship or Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge programs as originally planned, having elected to focus his driving efforts in the FIA World Endurance Championship this year.