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Old 2 Sep 2012, 19:44 (Ref:3129295)   #126
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Having never been to Spa before I was wondering if anyone could give me any advice on gearing. The car is a drum braked 50s car, which touched 145mph into Stowe at Silverstone Classic. How does Spa compare?

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Old 2 Sep 2012, 22:12 (Ref:3129428)   #127
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Must go back to Specsavers, just looked again and the seat was manufactured October 2007 so It's OK.
I know we've been through all this before but my memory is dim.Will suits, helmets etc etc all need to be under 5 years for this event?
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Old 2 Sep 2012, 22:18 (Ref:3129432)   #128
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 07:38 (Ref:3129652)   #129
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I know we've been through all this before but my memory is dim.Will suits, helmets etc etc all need to be under 5 years for this event?
No age limit on suits, underwear, helmets etc as long as everything complies to the current standard I.e. 8856-2000 for clothes or anything from Snell 2000 upwards for your bash hat. I don't think the red label BS helmets are legal. Undies, socks, balaclavas etc must also be 8856-2000 and carry a label (with the makers' name) to that effect.

Seats and belts have five year limit, except the latest FIA standard perches which have 10 years life. Or you can use standard seats...

The link is good, I was reading it last night!
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 11:51 (Ref:3129809)   #130
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 11:58 (Ref:3129817)   #131
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Didn't I read somewhere if its not an FIA seat age doesn't matter?
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 12:03 (Ref:3129819)   #132
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You did, although the regs have been tightened for this year and only FIA approved (in date) seats, will be accepted.


There is a slink to the info provided by the organisers. I think Gordon posted it.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 12:18 (Ref:3129831)   #133
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Having never been to Spa before I was wondering if anyone could give me any advice on gearing. The car is a drum braked 50s car, which touched 145mph into Stowe at Silverstone Classic. How does Spa compare?

Looking forward to it!

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Silverstone gearing is fine for the Birdcage at Spa Same as we use anyway.

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You did, although the regs have been tightened for this year and only FIA approved (in date) seats, will be accepted.
Have they changed the rule or is the wording ambiguous?
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 12:50 (Ref:3129852)   #135
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From the Spa website.
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FIA Standard 8862-2010 (valid 10 years)

I only got this second hand from paddock gossip but someone turned up with a Lotus Cortina with an out of date FiA seat and was turned away. He then went and saw a friend who lives nearby and got an original seat out of friends Lotus Cortina. He went back to the scrutineers with it fitted an was turned away again as he said it wasn't a proper Lotus Cortina seat.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 13:00 (Ref:3129859)   #136
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Thanks for that Gordon, all very clear. I think we should nominate the Belgians for one of those Plain English awards!
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FIA Standard 8855-1999 (valid 5 years)
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I only got this second hand from paddock gossip but someone turned up with a Lotus Cortina with an out of date FiA seat and was turned away. He then went and saw a friend who lives nearby and got an original seat out of friends Lotus Cortina. He went back to the scrutineers with it fitted an was turned away again as he said it wasn't a proper Lotus Cortina seat.
I better not chuck those standard seats away from an old Camaro I'm breaking then. So what about if they tilt forward as in to let the rear seat passengers get in on the original car is that OK? mind you I must admit some standard seats are a lot more substantial than some aftermarket seats.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 16:23 (Ref:3130009)   #138
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Al, what are you racing at Spa? Only I worry that you'll be rejected by the scrutes if you try to play smart. Anyway see you there.
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I only got this second hand from paddock gossip but someone turned up with a Lotus Cortina with an out of date FiA seat and was turned away. He then went and saw a friend who lives nearby and got an original seat out of friends Lotus Cortina. He went back to the scrutineers with it fitted an was turned away again as he said it wasn't a proper Lotus Cortina seat.
Cheers, Tim. Luckily, if I wanted to race it there, my Morgan is period E so should be exempt, but my little Gilbern is F. I don't think will ever manage to get a modern seat in it unless I cut out the roll cage and start again or have legs shortened by 6".....
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 17:39 (Ref:3130044)   #140
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A Tillet seat will fit.
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If I raced a MK 1 or 2 Zephyr could I use the original bench seat ? That would remind me of my "courting" days in my "yoof"
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Sadly not racing anything at Spa Peter but was asking just incase I ever did decide to take the plunge.
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I think you'll find that a tilt seat will fail miserably.
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I stand to be corrected but didn't think Tillett seats were FIA approved?

Anyway, we digress.....
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Apparently they are.

Not very clear but this references FIA homologation. https://www.tillett.co.uk/shop/docum...SEATS_2012.pdf
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Apparently they are.

Not very clear but this references FIA homologation. https://www.tillett.co.uk/shop/docum...SEATS_2012.pdf
Ahhhh, B6F or B7 then. They could benefit from shouting it a bit louder in DT's catalogue!

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I think it's just been launched, IIRC there was a big ad in the just-out MSA mag. Went to check but it's just-recycled
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On the continent, nearly all the Cortinas where 2 door, and many had a split bench seat for rear access . . . angled tilt, towards the window naturally! . . .I have one here, its a 1200 deluxe. there are hundreds of 1200 delux Cortina's racing, and frankly the seats better than some 'race' installations I've seen, even with no seat belts. Jeff Uren did the Monte in a 1200 Cortina in '62, so I see no reason why one wouldn't be eligible for U2TC
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