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PERIOD Anyone who thinks that multple builders from the ground up would be cheaper than what a sole supplier can provide should roll me a big fat spleef of whatever it is you're smoking, because I'm having a bad day and could use a good buzz about right now. Wasn't going to happen...They're trying to reduce costs to compete...The 1990s are long past...doing what CART did was expensive, and just isn't pssible in these days and times... Reality Check This is at least a compromise...Let's see who does or does not come into the game. Last edited by Tim Northcutt; 15 Jul 2010 at 17:07. |
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dude,,,,pfssssssssst,,,,,,Tim......pfssssssssssssst,,,,your hit.
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Isn't he still under contract with the Muppets?
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bjohn, they nicked the Lola bodywork idea (I think Purnell was taking the credit), but they left out the transferable tub. Barnhart said they were thinking about it during the Q&A, but there is no clear plan to do it.
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I don't see Lola getting involved in a bodywork competition, I could be wrong but I don't think it would be worth their while as it could get rather expensive. |
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Ashmore (BAT) made a comment about the R&D estimate for the aero kit in the Pruett article:
“You’re talking several millions of dollars. So you’ve got to sell a lot of kits to recoup your investment. Last edited by JagtechOhio; 15 Jul 2010 at 16:45. |
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Wirth Engineering (who handled the Acura LMP chassis designs and revisions) also is very interested in possibly participating and feels that such an opportunity is well-suited to his company's specific line of operations and goals. If they do come aboard, looks like we'll have some diversity there.... |
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The more that has come out about this, the more it is clear that it was total amateur hour and the bodywork thing is totally ridiculous. I imagine most teams will go with the $36K dallara supplied kits, so that leaves people like penske and ganassi who maybe might do their own. WHOOP TE DO! This whole thing is so stupid and what Tim said before about price points, well those were stupid too. The stands are empty at most races, no one watches on tv except for a few people in indy and some silly body work is not going to fix that. |
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The other thing that is interesting for such a grand announcement was where was all the team owners.
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And the other interesting thing is that you don't get $5 million dollar taxpayer funded state grants, the governor on board, a deal with local politicians and other yahoos to build a factory and whatever other tax credits nonsense, all wrapped up in 2 days.
Some said it was going to be dallara all along and it appears that all this went down not days ago, but months ago. The MORONIC panel was simply a cover to fans and everyone else that somehow indycar was so thoughtful and wanted everyone's opinion and how there would be this new era. LOLA, BAT, DELTA WING, all were taking it in the bum the whole time. |
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I remember thinking it was going to be Dallara when they announced they would be moving their IICS program to the States. I don't know why I ever began to think otherwise.
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The State of Indiana has given tax incentives to OW teams and other motorsports-related industries of all types for decades. So has the City of Indianapolis. This is nothing new. When Reynard built their wind tunnel here in the 1990s, they got massive property tax reductions for their square footage that they built, and now the Auto Research Center that resides there is doing an expansion...an additional 35,000 sq. ft. with zero increase in their tax assessment by the City. If Lola would have said, "We'll build our IndyCar in Indiana" they would have gotten a similar deal...the City and the State know how important that industry is to the central indiana economy. Dallara was up front about it and made the commitment to want to build the factory in Speedway itself...the others did not, with the possible exception of BAT... |
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Besides Mazda who with partner AER could supply engines to an Indy Car team, I don't see anybody outside of them supplying engines because it would require a clean sheet of paper = $$$$ Especially for Boutique Engine builders like Judd and Zytek. I'm sure they would love for somebody to put their name on the valve covers. Plus they were determine to get some Delta Wing out of this project and I'm not sure I like the heavy rear end bias to the side pods. |
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Indy Car has the fan base they are going to have going forward, TV is about to become more segmented and fractured. Without heavy public relations and marketing to automotive enthusiast whenever possible the fan base is not going to grow much more.
The casual sports fan will watch racing if there's something interesting about it. Right now, even with this change there's nothing of interest here. I have an idea that would blow the top off of American Motorsports, but unless I can get the money to make the offer or somebody has the same idea I do, it won't happen. Indycar at the Glen got .8 and ALMS does similar numbers on Cable TV and a channel that's not even free like ESPN. If there's room to go up, still think they shot themselves in the foot. |
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No but what's stopping them from doing it?
I don't think there's a bespoke racing V6 anywhere. Most V6 are based on production engines, ie: World Series By Renault or Nissan depending on which era your talking about. The Nissan engine was also used in ALMS LMP2/675 as well. |
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Lotus spent a few million and have a Lotus in IndyCar. I guess they could spend a few million more and make their Lotus IndyCar a Lotus Indycar.
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My point is none of this happens overnight. Hence I believe this has been going on for months and all the silly MORONIC committee members voting was absurd. The decision was long ago taken above their heads. They were merely a front. I also find it a bit shoddy arm twisting whoever the winner was to build something in indy. And it really bothers me that $5 million of taxpayers money goes to build dullaras. But I say keep on. I think you guys have set course for an irretrievable decline. |
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