What if F1 had Standard Chassis

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by davyboy

How much engine development has been done this year. Aren't the engines homologated with changes only allowed under consent from the FIA ?



The tyres are spec. from a single supplier. There's no competition between the teams on tyre development.



In a greyed line up, would you be able to correctly identify which car belongs to which team ? Even the most ardent enthusiast would find that difficult.

Yes of course a car's fluid dynamics are an integral package. My point was that large parts of the car's aero are already spec. meaning that the development 'zones' are highly restricted.

I'm not going to reply to you in detail as I can't be bothered arguing the technical side with you.

All your points are beside the real point. F1 is about the best team/car. It's not ever about low cost, same spec racing. It's the real reason why most of us watch (usually a dominant team or two) while attempting to understand (technically) what separates the great, from the average, to the not so great.

To dilute it to the point you infer would signal its death knell. You can see that most socialist formulas today have run their course. If F1 is not about the cars and technology, then it's going to lose its strongest followers as well as its armchair watchers, me including. That's really what F1 is about. Lose the fans, you lose the ratings, the sponsors and ...

[wnut]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I think that's fairly obvious

I agree with yo DavyBoy, F1 is pretty well a spec series evrywhere but where it should actually be one - aerodynamics.

It is strange that people who don't understand the regs and the technical side of the formula insist that the sham be maintained.

btw ssBaby The engine centre of gravity is tightly regulated.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

All your points are beside the real point. F1 is about the best team/car. It's not ever about low cost, same spec racing. It's the real reason why most of us watch (usually a dominant team or two) while attempting to understand (technically) what separates the great, from the average, to the not so great.

The vast majority of people watch F1 to be entertained. Could the entertainment be better ? Few of us would disagree that it could be. The question is what should be done to accomplish it because the moves made in progressively closing down the regs over the past few years haven't improved the situation as intended.

Cost reduction is an issue in F1. The FIA and the teams have spent a lot of time and effort looking at ways of doing this over the past few years.

If F1 is to be a true engineering challenge that promotes brilliant innovation - then open up the regulations to allow tyre, engine, tranmission, systems, aero, chassis and other development.

We can spend all day and all night arguing the point but its hard to contend that F1 is not much closer to a spec. formula today than its every been in the past.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

You mean, become a silhouette formula?

I've seen the damage that 'socialism' (I am apolitical as a rule) has done to V8Supercars to the point where it has done irreversible damage to the sport... after decades of ascending popularity.

Just my 2 pesos.

To accuse any other Formula of socialism next to F1 is a bit of a joke.
F1 absorbs and relies on more government funding throughout the world than all the other formula put together. After all who but a bureaucrat spending the taxpayers money would go along with spending that type of money for so little return! Just my 2 pesos.

[Adam43]

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by wnut

To accuse any other Formula of socialism next to F1 is a bit of a joke.
F1 absorbs and relies on more government funding throughout the world than all the other formula put together. After all who but a bureaucrat spending the taxpayers money would go along with spending that type of money for so little return! Just my 2 pesos.

No, not that kind of socialism. I'm talking full parity between the teams... NASCAR, FF, V8SC etc...

In other words, all cars are created equal except the driver's skills are the only variable (in theory). That's all I'm talking about. Don't bring governments into it as I was not referring to that crap at all.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

No, not that kind of socialism. I'm talking full parity between the teams... NASCAR, FF, V8SC etc...

In other words, all cars are created equal except the driver's skills are the only variable (in theory). That's all I'm talking about. Don't bring governments into it as I was not referring to that crap at all.

That's what they did with IRL and OWR is practically on death's door.

[Teretonga]

If we are going to have a standard chassis why not split the WDC and the manufactuer/constructors races...

WDC is a 60 minute sprint for GP drivers in GP2 cars on Sunday morning, maunfacturers/Constructors title in real F1 cars Sunday afternoon...

[bjohnsonsmith]

The FIA needs to be less restrictive in setting out the design specifications. Obviously costs have to be kept down but designers need more room for maneuver both in the car and engine departments.

[wnut]

manoeuvre?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

manoeuvre?

From Wikipedia, not that they always get it right:

Maneuver, manoeuvre (also spelled manœuvre or manoeuver from the French) may be a synonym for strategy or tactic or:

[wnut]

Fair enuff BJ just stirring anyway!