2014 British F3 Silly Season

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by edenrace

Interested to hear constructive comments.

I'm interested to see what British F3 organisers will do next. Pull the plug? Or run an embarrassing show?

[edenrace]

OK Juntos...whats the answer it is easy to critisise ...how do you think we can get a bigger grid

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

http://www.formula3.co/news/extended...mula-3-in-2014

Add that to Harry Tincknell and, more importantly, Alex Lynn doing one-offs at Thruxton (luckily my "home" venue), and suddenly things are looking vaguely brighter.

Although anything is brighter than the darkness of impending doom.

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

http://www.formula3.co/news/extended...mula-3-in-2014

Somebody shall teach BF3 press officer how to write drivers' names. Martin Coa? Matthew Roa?

Originally Posted by edenrace

...how do you think we can get a bigger grid

That is a question that FOTA should be able to reply. Not me.

[edenrace]

So Juntos no ideas then .....that's a shame

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

http://www.formula3.co/news/extended...mula-3-in-2014

Add that to Harry Tincknell and, more importantly, Alex Lynn doing one-offs at Thruxton (luckily my "home" venue), and suddenly things are looking vaguely brighter.

Although anything is brighter than the darkness of impending doom.

Alice Powell may run in the Cooper Class also in her Mark Bailey F305.

[edenrace]

cooper class will not happen as FIA/Berger do not want old ,pre 2008 cars, in British Championship.

[LavidaLoca]

Originally Posted by edenrace

cooper class will not happen as FIA/Berger do not want old ,pre 2008 cars, in British Championship.

How come Japan Formula 3 Still runs F305-F307 Cars in National Class?

[kipper]

Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

How come Japan Formula 3 Still runs F305-F307 Cars in National Class?

One thought that springs to mind is that the Cooper Cup class cars wouldn't necessarily run F3 spec engines. Certainly Alice Powell's car at Donington was running Piedrafita engine (as used in the - now renamed - European Formula Open).

[JohnMiller]

Originally Posted by kipper

One thought that springs to mind is that the Cooper Cup class cars wouldn't necessarily run F3 spec engines. Certainly Alice Powell's car at Donington was running Piedrafita engine (as used in the - now renamed - European Formula Open).

The engine in the 2014 EuroFormula "F3" Open is new this year.

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by edenrace

cooper class will not happen as FIA/Berger do not want old ,pre 2008 cars, in British Championship.

Pre-08 cars are allowed to be used.

[andrewc]

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

The engine in the 2014 EuroFormula "F3" Open is new this year.

Hello John,

What is the new engine? The 2014 regs suggest its the Toyota 3S-GE in SXE10 specification.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Going back to the whole name issue:

Why do the FIA even bother? All they're doing is weakening the national series' chances or success, even when British F3 has been stronger than European F3 for most of it's history.

*Conspiracy* is this the French trying to get one over on us!!!!

[JohnMiller]

Originally Posted by andrewc

Hello John,

What is the new engine? The 2014 regs suggest its the Toyota 3S-GE in SXE10 specification.

New crank, new pistons, new cams, higher CR, 25bhp more at 4,000 rpm

[andrewc]

Interesting thanks.

[Juntos]

Performance Racing aiming a comeback at http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113599


Do we have a provisional entry list?

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Performance Racing aiming a comeback at http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113599


Do we have a provisional entry list?

Wiki is up to date as far as I can tell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Br...a_Three_season

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Wiki is up to date except for Alex Lynn at Thruxton, although that's understandable because I don't think a team has been confirmed!

[wsrgo94]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Going back to the whole name issue:

Why do the FIA even bother? All they're doing is weakening the national series' chances or success, even when British F3 has been stronger than European F3 for most of it's history.

*Conspiracy* is this the French trying to get one over on us!!!!

I'm sorry, but European F3 began in 2003, and has been almost always stronger than British F3 since. Think of the champions: Briscoe, Green, Hamilton, di Resta, Grosjean, Hulkenberg, Bianchi, Mortara, Merhi, Juncadella, Marciello. In the same period of 11 years, the British F3 champs were van der Merwe, Piquet Jr, Parente, Conway, Asmer, Alguersuari, Ricciardo, Vergne, Nasr, Harvey and King.
Euro F3 also had several others like Buemi, Vettel, van der Garde, Kobayashi etc. So, that fact you stated, is just wrong.

[bella]

matter of opinion to be honest. with a username with "94" in it i suspect you're not old enough to properly remember the 2003-4-5-6 seasons in british f3 which were pretty special for proper, raw talent. after that, budgets started to get silly, serious money was being thrown at things it shouldn't have.

when you look at the euro series you have to remember that whilst british f3 was far more independant, it has essentially been controlled and run by mercedes since it was born. so you can't just make a direct comparison.

[wsrgo94]

Originally Posted by bella

matter of opinion to be honest. with a username with "94" in it i suspect you're not old enough to properly remember the 2003-4-5-6 seasons in british f3 which were pretty special for proper, raw talent. after that, budgets started to get silly, serious money was being thrown at things it shouldn't have.

when you look at the euro series you have to remember that whilst british f3 was far more independant, it has essentially been controlled and run by mercedes since it was born. so you can't just make a direct comparison.

I suppose so, that's true. And yeah, I am 20

[bella]

just you wait. give it 10 years and you'll be "i suppose YOU'RE too young to remember"-ing people about this season

there's a general tendency to judge bf3 by what it is now, rather than what it was then. i liked the euroseries a bit more back then for the big event thing and the individual aero tweaks and shenanigans, and some of the circuits. but british f3 had, and still does have, some awesome circuits that you really can only find in the uk. it's a shame so many drivers are missing out on epic one-offs like thruxton and knockhill in exchange for the bland mindless f1 layouts with gp3 and the european series now.

[wsrgo94]

Originally Posted by bella

just you wait. give it 10 years and you'll be "i suppose YOU'RE too young to remember"-ing people about this season

Aha, I'm looking forward to it

Originally Posted by bella

there's a general tendency to judge bf3 by what it is now, rather than what it was then. i liked the euroseries a bit more back then for the big event thing and the individual aero tweaks and shenanigans, and some of the circuits. but british f3 had, and still does have, some awesome circuits that you really can only find in the uk. it's a shame so many drivers are missing out on epic one-offs like thruxton and knockhill in exchange for the bland mindless f1 layouts with gp3 and the european series now.

I agree, but I guess the relevance of driving in Knockhill two levels below F1 is fast fading...

Zandvoort's an awesome track outside Britian, I wish they had that on the calendar. But now, all we get are squiggly-wiggly-hard-to-memorise corners and highway-esque straights...

[bella]

ahhh somewhere like knockhill is misunderstood. it's highly relevant to monaco - you have this tiny little circuit with loads of ups and downs, constant corners and braking and accelerating. barely time to catch your breath on the main straight before you're over the little hill and back into t1. what is it that f1 drivers are moaning about nowadays? having too much to do? you could probably make the same statement for brands indy too.

you could argue thruxton has big relevance for tyre conservation and understanding, it's a big issue there. donington is the relatively quick, long cornered type of place that f1 enjoys nowadays. brands gp is a bit of a ballsy one, snetterton used to be really quick but now it's just a nothing.

so yeah, f1 cars don't run on them, but it's not to say the skills you learn racing on them aren't transferrable further down the line in a career

[wsrgo94]

Originally Posted by bella

ahhh somewhere like knockhill is misunderstood. it's highly relevant to monaco - you have this tiny little circuit with loads of ups and downs, constant corners and braking and accelerating. barely time to catch your breath on the main straight before you're over the little hill and back into t1. what is it that f1 drivers are moaning about nowadays? having too much to do? you could probably make the same statement for brands indy too.

you could argue thruxton has big relevance for tyre conservation and understanding, it's a big issue there. donington is the relatively quick, long cornered type of place that f1 enjoys nowadays. brands gp is a bit of a ballsy one, snetterton used to be really quick but now it's just a nothing.

so yeah, f1 cars don't run on them, but it's not to say the skills you learn racing on them aren't transferrable further down the line in a career

True enough, I guess, seems like I underestimated the importance of the Knockhill track in particular. Brands Indy is a nice little track with the only problem being lack of overtaking corners, I mean it's really tough to pass at Paddock Bend in a Formula car. I've always liked Donington's quirky layout, Thruxton's a nice little track too, and yeah I agree, Brands GP really is ballsy

There's a couple more circuits in UK which I've heard of several times but haven't really seen that much racing in: Castle Combe and Croft. I need to watch some onboard videos of Formula Three or Formula Ford cars there..