USCC (leave your axe outside)

[NaBUru38]

There's another thread for that. Let's focus on USR here, ok?

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You saw that the WEC is considering adding more races in North America. USR teams have concerns about the increased schedule (some are adding 24 Hours, others are adding 12 and 10). We would love to see European and Japanese teams back at any of the classic endurance races. And all of us would love to see WEC and USR teams fight each other, right?

So I propose that this second round is awarded to Petit Le Mans. I suggest a double 6-hour format, like in Austin, so USR teams run less hours.

But here's the twist: instead of doing a WEC and a USR race, how about doing a prototype race and a GT race? That way, GT gets attention for 6 hours, whereas protos do their own stuff. And we can see WEC and USR teams race against each other!

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

But here's the twist: instead of doing a WEC and a USR race, how about doing a prototype race and a GT race? That way, GT gets attention for 6 hours, whereas protos do their own stuff. And we can see WEC and USR teams race against each other!

I really do like this idea, but the problem is that WEC and USR won't actually be racing against each other. The USR prototype class would be the 4th class behind WEC LMP1 factory, WEC LMP1 privateer and WEC LMP2. I don't see top teams in that series playing 4th-fiddle in one of the most expensive and prestigious rounds of the series.

If you could slow WEC LMP2 cars down, then it's more likely.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

]but the problem is that WEC and USR won't actually be racing against each other. The USR prototype class would be the 4th class behind WEC LMP1 factory, WEC LMP1 privateer and WEC LMP2.

If you could slow WEC LMP2 cars down, then it's more likely.

But USR's DP and P2 cars are supposed to be equalised. Problem solved.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

But USR's DP and P2 cars are supposed to be equalised. Problem solved.

With the USRC's P2's likely being slowed down... so back to the same problem mentioned above.

[wheelz22]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

With the USRC's P2's likely being slowed down... so back to the same problem mentioned above.

Thanks Foge....I figured someone would inform the gentleman from Uruguay of that 'minor detail' regarding USCR P2s....

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

btw... Just an opinion, but they should focus their efforts, and available dollars on making USCR work, instead of creating a new series.. Have a merger to strengthen the sport, then create another series in the same sandbox to dilute things. Not a great sign for those hoping somehow two bad management groups combined, can somehow be made into something that works.

I completely agree with you. This could only be justified if the DTM will be racing into USCR in the main category with DP and P2.

[lms]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

I completely agree with you. This could only be justified if the DTM will be racing into USCR in the main category with DP and P2.

funny how all kinds of cool/weird looking cars need to race alongside dps otherwise noone would give a **** about them racing in the top class, speeding them up, le mans entries... looks like they intend to keep this failure alive. Hopefully they will die a slow and painful death and this whole merger disaster folds so a new road racing series can emerge ("dtm") with all the manufacturers supporting it. i can totally see this co-existing with an "alms" gt series.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by wheelz22

Thanks Foge....I figured someone would inform the gentleman from Uruguay of that 'minor detail' regarding USCR P2s....

Which gentlemen are you talking about?

[wheelz22]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Which gentlemen are you talking about?

That would be you Sir....it sounded as if you were not aware that an ALMS/USCR P2 would receive a negative BoP in order to allow a DP to stay up with them....thus making them shy and light of a 'real' P2 at LM24.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by wheelz22

That would be you Sir....it sounded as if you were not aware that an ALMS/USCR P2 would receive a negative BoP in order to allow a DP to stay up with them....thus making them shy and light of a 'real' P2 at LM24.

When were the BoP rules released?








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[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

I really do like this idea, but the problem is that WEC and USR won't actually be racing against each other. The USR prototype class would be the 4th class behind WEC LMP1 factory, WEC LMP1 privateer and WEC LMP2. I don't see top teams in that series playing 4th-fiddle in one of the most expensive and prestigious rounds of the series.

If you could slow WEC LMP2 cars down, then it's more likely.

I doubt that the WEC or its teams are willing to do that though.






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[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by wheelz22

That would be you Sir....it sounded as if you were not aware that an ALMS/USCR P2 would receive a negative BoP in order to allow a DP to stay up with them....thus making them shy and light of a 'real' P2 at LM24.

Your are mixing apples and oranges.
Racing WEC & USCR cars in a single grid could create problems because of possible BoP measures, as yet to be determined though.
Any P-2s that go to Le Mans, would be at LM P-2 spec.





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[wheelz22]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Your are mixing apples and oranges.
Racing WEC & USCR cars in a single grid could create problems because of possible BoP measures, as yet to be determined though.
Any P-2s that go to Le Mans, would be at LM P-2 spec.
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[nevertrustamidget]

1. 24 Hours of Daytona (Jan.)
2. 12 Hours of Sebring (March)
3. Barber (April)
4. COTA (April)
5. Laguna Seca (May)
6. Mid-Ohio (June)
7. Sahlen's 6 Hours of the Glen (July)
8. Mosport (July)
9. Road America (July)
10.
11. Indy (August)
12. NJ (September)
13. VIR (October)
14. Petit Le Mans (October)

Can't run COTA during football season. Do not need Street courses. Indy must be tied to NASCAR weekend. Kansas one season only.

[NaBUru38]

Welcome to Ten tenths, nevertrustamidget!

Originally Posted by wheelz22

That would be you Sir....

I know, was kidding

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Your are mixing apples and oranges.
Racing WEC & USCR cars in a single grid could create problems because of possible BoP measures, as yet to be determined though.
Any P-2s that go to Le Mans, would be at LM P-2 spec.

The ACO and IMSA can solve that.

[Purist]

That is only if they can speed up the DPs enough without increasing costs "too much".

NTaM, welcome.

You haven't filled one of the slots on your calendar.

Indy needs to be able to draw, and the course itself isn't anything special, except for the one, long run. Not to mention, that instant narrowing at Turn 1 could easily make a mess of a bunched field.

Also, street circuits ARE necessary in markets that are critical for the series, but don't have a suitable permanent circuit. And it's not like Baltimore, Belle Isle, or Long Beach are awful, even by street circuit standards. Go take a look at the 2002 and 2003 iterations of Miami, the 1991 iteration of New Orleans, the 2005 iteration of San Jose, and the 1987 iteration of San Antonio. (If you want confusing, look up the IMSA Columbus street circuit: start line, finish line, timing line for laps, and pit lane all in different places.) Trust me, the current crop of street circuits isn't bad at all.

BTW, what do you categorize Montreal as?

[Scooter185]

Until 2000 Spa was a street course, Mount Panorama, CGV, and Monte Carlo all are brilliant street circuits. While theyres probably enough permanent courses, I think it's still good to have some temporary street circuits on the calendar.

[Canada ALMS fan]

Early days but these comments lead me to hope there may be a more inspiring technical rule set for 2016 in the USCR.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...rd-neveu-pt-2/
Even though no P1.

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by Scooter185

Until 2000 Spa was a street course

Not really a 'street' course, it was a (public) road course, as was Circuit de la Sarthe. Panorama is like that too. Much faster and more open then something like Long Beach, or Monaco.

[Scooter185]

The top of the Mountain is really not that open, but I understand what you mean. After thinking about it modern spa was a poor example too as even though it was public a lot of safety changes had been made by 2000.

[nevertrustamidget]

Originally Posted by Purist

That is only if they can speed up the DPs enough without increasing costs "too much".

NTaM, welcome.

You haven't filled one of the slots on your calendar.

Indy needs to be able to draw, and the course itself isn't anything special, except for the one, long run. Not to mention, that instant narrowing at Turn 1 could easily make a mess of a bunched field.

Also, street circuits ARE necessary in markets that are critical for the series, but don't have a suitable permanent circuit. And it's not like Baltimore, Belle Isle, or Long Beach are awful, even by street circuit standards. Go take a look at the 2002 and 2003 iterations of Miami, the 1991 iteration of New Orleans, the 2005 iteration of San Jose, and the 1987 iteration of San Antonio. (If you want confusing, look up the IMSA Columbus street circuit: start line, finish line, timing line for laps, and pit lane all in different places.) Trust me, the current crop of street circuits isn't bad at all.

BTW, what do you categorize Montreal as?

Last date was a coin toss. With the DTM deal and Grand-Am/USCR holding DTM rights to all of North America. There are races in Canada already so i was considering maybe Mexico City for the open date with a future combined weekend with NA-DTM in the future.

[Canada ALMS fan]

From Marshall Pruett:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...d-am-programs/
"P1 is not included in the USCR's class structure, but there's a belief that with enough support, a concession to keep the top-tier prototypes remains a possibility."

????

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

From Marshall Pruett:
"P1 is not included in the USCR's class structure, but there's a belief that with enough support, a concession to keep the top-tier prototypes remains a possibility."

????

Grasping at straws!







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[FordCosworthPanoz]

Mr Dyson is that you?

Greg??

Duncan???


P1 outside of the WEC is dead for now as it is essentially a manufacturers class. If you want to go there to get creamed by Rebellion and destroyed by the Audis/Toyotas/Porsches then do so. You're not proving anything in the Special Olympics of racing the class has provided us the last 2 years stateside.

Though I'm glad we'll still get to see those beasts in the WEC at COTA, they truly are the top flight of sportscar racing.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Mr Dyson is that you?

Greg??

Duncan???


P1 outside of the WEC is dead for now as it is essentially a manufacturers class. If you want to go there to get creamed by Rebellion and destroyed by the Audis/Toyotas/Porsches then do so. You're not proving anything in the Special Olympics of racing the class has provided us the last 2 years stateside.

Though I'm glad we'll still get to see those beasts in the WEC at COTA, they truly are the top flight of sportscar racing.

You so sure of this? New regulations are next year, then you can judge, but actually we can't since they aren't 'allowed'. Toyota, Audi, Porsche, Rebellion (Lola), HPD, Oak, Lotus (Kodewa) all will have new cars for 2014. That's dead outside the WEC why? Those guys would show up if there was relevance in America.