NZV8's 2011/12

[promax]

Originally Posted by harcey

cheers promax,
i would add the following to what i said before;
Short/evans/lester/leitch/both lauders/cox/mark gibson/waite/hanley/edgell/alexander/leitch again(other one)/just to name a few young prospects---and quite a few missed.all the stars started from scratch as well rememeber and went through good and bad periods before finding their feet.

it will great to see an injection of new (and old) faces in the series. throw in a dozen or so new cars and the disappointments of the previous season will soon be forgotten. should be interesting to see what happens over the next few months.

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by promax

it will great to see an injection of new (and old) faces in the series. throw in a dozen or so new cars and the disappointments of the previous season will soon be forgotten. should be interesting to see what happens over the next few months.

It will be a titanic struggle to make up the ground lost this season, further ground will be lost as the ST machine continue on, as their season is jus beginning. By the end of the ST season, the racing public will only be talking about the ST and unfrotuately not NZV8.

What is needed is some new blood in the way of named drivers, but they will be difficult to find, as their mates will be driving in the opposition competition. Which they will see as being the premium series here.
Jason Bargwanna will never be enough on his own and flogging young and up and coming drivers from other categories, is not the complete answer, this will only weaken the overall racing program you are trying to sell.

You can not just think NZV8 and kill the interest in the other classes, which is very strong at preasent, by doing this would be the quickest way of destroying our support categories. Not a very sensible approach to solving the problem.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Jerico

It will be a titanic struggle to make up the ground lost this season, further ground will be lost as the ST machine continue on, as their season is jus beginning. By the end of the ST season, the racing public will only be talking about the ST and unfrotuately not NZV8.

What is needed is some new blood in the way of named drivers, but they will be difficult to find, as their mates will be driving in the opposition competition. Which they will see as being the premium series here.
Jason Bargwanna will never be enough on his own and flogging young and up and coming drivers from other categories, is not the complete answer, this will only weaken the overall racing program you are trying to sell.

You can not just think NZV8 and kill the interest in the other classes, which is very strong at preasent, by doing this would be the quickest way of destroying our support categories. Not a very sensible approach to solving the problem.

Jerico, there is a thread for NZST, go and push your barrow there, next to nothing constructive from your posts on this thread.

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

Jerico, there is a thread for NZST, go and push your barrow there, next to nothing constructive from your posts on this thread.

I am sure that I am on the right thread Joe, I was not pushing ST on this thread, I was just stating that it's going to be an uphill struggle to get the new MRX off the ground. I was trying to be logical by saying that we must not poach to many drivers from the support categories, so as to fill the nzv8 field and try and get some named drivers.

This thread is here for debate and not cheer leading, just like every other thread is on this site.

Just be careful Joe, as you are attacking me and not my post, so lets try and give Woolley the night off tonight.

[harcey]

Originally Posted by Jerico

I am sure that I am on the right thread Joe, I was not pushing ST on this thread, I was just stating that it's going to be an uphill struggle to get the new MRX off the ground. I was trying to be logical by saying that we must not poach to many drivers from the support categories, so as to fill the nzv8 field and try and get some named drivers.

This thread is here for debate and not cheer leading, just like every other thread is on this site.

Just be careful Joe, as you are attacking me and not my post, so lets try and give Woolley the night off tonight.

guys ,chill.it's not the end of the world.

i would think most guys in the support categories would gladly give a right testicle to race in one of the countries top categories--i dont think poaching is remotely an applicable term for natural progression.
from my perpective and i am sure from the perspective of many competitors and "fathers", we have been in a state of flux over the past 2-3 seasons knowing that change was imminent in v8's and would you spend $80-100k(18months ago) to get into v8's when you new the cars would soon be obsolete !!!!! and virtually impossible to sell.
i honestly beleive that even some of the challenge cup guys will in time end up in the MNZ v8's because they cant get a foot into the ST v8's as most holes are filled.nothing underhand about that--its just that those boys want to be in a big class too and i guess if i really took to heart what was said in these forums it would be clear from posters that these guys are not up to standard to run with the superstars but ok to be second class program fillers.
there is nothing quite like something NEW to bring people out of the woodwork.
i think remember also that probably about 1%(might be a bit high here) of motorsport competitors/enthusiasts and general public have ever heard about motorsport forums===let alone had a look online at them.
your average guy sees a v8 class--and another v8 class and goes woopee this is good,'i need to mow the lawns during the week'....

[Ugy]

There are a couple of dudes on here that are consumed with hate and when the BNT V8's didn't collapse like they thought they cant handle it.
Time will heal...... now come on lets all have a group hug.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Ugy

There are a couple of dudes on here that are consumed with hate and when the BNT V8's didn't collapse like they thought they cant handle it.
Time will heal...... now come on lets all have a group hug.

I think that goes for both sides (though I am not one of them). I don't think anyone wants to see the collapse of the BNT V8's but there are some who wonder how viable the series will be when it is clearly not going to be "Top Dog" next season (i.e. fastest etc. with the most money).

However, I would like to see the next gen of cars run, and I don't see why we can't have both. Pity that TMC have to be involved though...

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by Ugy

There are a couple of dudes on here that are consumed with hate and when the BNT V8's didn't collapse like they thought they cant handle it.
Time will heal...... now come on lets all have a group hug.

No haters here I don't think! Are you sure you are on the right thread?

Not really the touchy feely type myself so may give the group hug a miss if that's ok.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Jerico

Just be careful Joe, as you are attacking me and not my post, so lets try and give Woolley the night off tonight.

where's the issue there ?? for every page deleted on the NZV8 thread, it make the NZST series look more popular because they have more pages............ a wee bit like facebook likes

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I don't think anyone wants to see the collapse of the BNT V8's but there are some who wonder how viable the series will be when it is clearly not going to be "Top Dog" next season (i.e.fastest etc. with the most money ).

if you are reffering to series (not drivers ) as "fastest etc. with the most money", then the
ST's have won over the NZV8s, as they probably set out to be 'bigger, better faster more' or else they would just be another V8 series competing for the same diminishing spectator/sponsorship dollar


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Originally Posted by Ugy

There are a couple of dudes on here that are consumed with hate and when the BNT V8's didn't collapse like they thought they cant handle it.
Time will heal...... now come on lets all have a group hug.

too late for group hugs, me thinks. the haters will hate. if the powers that be put their egos aside 18 (or so months ago), top level motorsport wouldn't be in the mess it currently is.