MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off' - Page 50

mountainstar · 9 Feb 2013, 03:41 (Ref:3201564)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

I see what you are saying MS, but truth is ST's have done more than enough for NZ Motorsport last year alone to be granted and recognised as tier 1, albiet through some dysfunctional people that make up MSNZ.

If however MSNZ carries on their own path, then it wont matter a jot, because as you say, people have voted with their feet.

Wonder what the FIA would think of all this? (or even if they would care at all seeing as we are right at the end of the earth)

You see the thing is, who cares what MSNZ thinks whether V8ST or any other series is Tier 1 or Tier 10?

I don't know how it happened and my thorough examination of motorsport history has yet to yield the answer, but somehow people have made the FIA the unquestioned God of all motorsport. Who gave them the power, how they sustain their power and why people continue to give them power, I have no idea and it makes no rational sense.

The USA never let the FIA take over and series run their own business as they see fit. NZ can do it too. Or any other country.

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 03:47 (Ref:3201571)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

If however MSNZ carries on their own path, then it wont matter a jot, because as you say, people have voted with their feet.

So the car clubs that MSNZ has ripped off etc have done somthing then?

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 03:48 (Ref:3201572)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

These are the facts Brick. Fact 1:Shane Harris declined an invitation to appear on the show, why? Something to hide?.Fact 2: Brian Budd asked Shaun not to discuss anything to do with MSNZ, Why? Concerned the truth would come out? Fact 3: MSNZ/TMC/MPL still owe TV3 money.. These are not opinions Brick.. Facts mate.. And whatever way you look at it MSNZ looks stupid.

You are mixing facts with assumption.
You assume there is something to hide. If you know otherwise, please, speak up!

Vanishing Point · 9 Feb 2013, 04:21 (Ref:3201581)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

You are mixing facts with assumption.
You assume there is something to hide. If you know otherwise, please, speak up!

Brick or is it Geoff Short? Shane Harris declined an invitation to appear on the show, then Brian Budd tried to influence and muzzle Shaun, Drakie and the Producer not to run the story. Brian Budds behaviour is unprofessional and irresponsible. One thing for sure I will be watching CRC tomorrow.

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 04:23 (Ref:3201582)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

You are mixing facts with assumption.
You assume there is something to hide. If you know otherwise, please, speak up!

Answer me this. Why did msnz place mpl say they were placing mpl into liquidation with the reason being they said because it had ceased trading and that it was no longer profitable only for the liquidation to reveal that mpl had racked up in excess of half a millon dollars in dwbt it couldnt and wont pay including msnz members funds unpaid bills with tv3 the ird and others?

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 04:25 (Ref:3201583)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Brick or is it Geoff Short? Shane Harris declined an invitation to appear on the show, then Brian Budd tried to influence and muzzle Shaun, Drakie and the Producer not to run the story. Brian Budds behaviour is unprofessional and irresponsible. One thing for sure I will be watching CRC tomorrow.

And from my understanding its not the first time they have done so...

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 04:43 (Ref:3201585)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Brick or is it Geoff Short? Shane Harris declined an invitation to appear on the show, then Brian Budd tried to influence and muzzle Shaun, Drakie and the Producer not to run the story. Brian Budds behaviour is unprofessional and irresponsible. One thing for sure I will be watching CRC tomorrow.

Please don't run the article on tv3.

Oh no, I just tried to influence and muzzle tv3.

promax · 9 Feb 2013, 04:54 (Ref:3201590)

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Originally Posted by Sommersby

It's that sort of comment which sums up just what is sick about the sport in NZ.

You know that the rights for the nzv8's were given to Prime/sky.

From a News standpoint, we receive VNR's( video news release) from TRS. But none from any other class. There is no way that my News Producer would entertain a story about a series featuring 3-4 of one class, and 6-7 old cars. As talented as the drivers are, none warrant network news coverage at this current point.

On a personal level I'd love to cover the Camry, which despite from what I understand it being a smaller car (2cm narrower/ less cockpit area) than the others, is a monster on track. A stunner in both sound and sight.

Anyway, feel free to lob what you like my way, I just ask that you have the decency to apologise/retract when you make false accusations.

I pledge to do the same.

Fair enough?

haven't been watching your show lately.. which is why i asked

with the nice weather we've had this summer.. watching tv isn't that high on my list of things to do

NZSTfan · 9 Feb 2013, 05:10 (Ref:3201593)

Thats nice Promax, seems that CRC still pulls a big audience every Sunday they are on. I dont think that one person not watching it will make the show fall over.

promax · 9 Feb 2013, 05:28 (Ref:3201596)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Thats nice Promax, seems that CRC still pulls a big audience every Sunday they are on. I dont think that one person not watching it will make the show fall over.

LMAO poor fan thinks big bad promax is picking on tv3?? too funny! bet you were a big x files fan and think the man is watching your every move lol seriously fan lighten up

i'm not having a dig at anyone

Vanishing Point · 9 Feb 2013, 06:53 (Ref:3201626)

Looks like Murph has had enough of MSNZ as well.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motorsport...ectid=10864180

So to all the MSNZ cronies, time to flee the sinking ship.

socram · 9 Feb 2013, 07:39 (Ref:3201634)

Murph's interview/comments in the Herald are reaching a far wider audience than this or any other message board.

It seems rather sad that MSNZ have missed an opportunity to be the good guys and gain massive support, but instead, have merely opened old wounds.

If I was a paying spectator for what is arguably the biggest meeting of the year, then I would expect a decent turnout for all grids and that therefore means the support races - all of them.

MSNZ are contracted to supply the manpower, so Debbie at the Motorsport Club would be happy to sign you up, as a support for her team. Where would MSNZ be without the volunteers?

promax · 9 Feb 2013, 08:52 (Ref:3201651)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Looks like Murph has had enough of MSNZ as well.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motorsport...ectid=10864180

So to all the MSNZ cronies, time to flee the sinking ship.

Greg complaining again or Sonny Bill's fight not going the distance.. hmmm i wonder which one will get the most media attention

Goat Boy · 9 Feb 2013, 09:41 (Ref:3201665)

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Originally Posted by promax

with the nice weather we've had this summer.. watching tv isn't that high on my list of things to do

Gotta say I agree with you on that - spent the afternoon watching my 10 year-old son's team rack up 194 runs in reply to the opposition's 97

smokin'joe · 9 Feb 2013, 09:54 (Ref:3201676)

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Originally Posted by Vanishing Point

Looks like Murph has had enough of MSNZ as well.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motorsport...ectid=10864180

So to all the MSNZ cronies, time to flee the sinking ship.

but, you were not so elated when the same Greg had a crack at ST over reliability problems ?

so what is gonna be the major 'brushed under the rug' issue that NZST is gonna have at the first round or two, that keeps people dragging the murky depths to belittle the national body, to take attention away from their own housekeeping problems ??

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 10:10 (Ref:3201681)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

but, you were not so elated when the same Greg had a crack at ST over reliability problems ?

so what is gonna be the major 'brushed under the rug' issue that NZST is gonna have at the first round or two, that keeps people dragging the murky depths to belittle the national body, to take attention away from their own housekeeping problems ??

Seriously..? Belittle the national body? Ffs they wont front to discuss whats going on and then ask them not to show it...after its already been recorded......no one needs to belittle tgem they are doing a fine enough job without anybodys help...

smokin'joe · 9 Feb 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3201692)

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Originally Posted by Evomike

Seriously..? Belittle the national body? Ffs they wont front to discuss whats going on and then ask them not to show it...after its already been recorded......no one needs to belittle tgem they are doing a fine enough job without anybodys help...

Mike, you know exactly where i am coming from, and you choose to ignoe the fact that when all is not rosy in the ST camp, the followers stab even more knives in the back of MSNZ.

do the back stabbers have ABSOLUTE proof of MSNZ wrongdoing, or merely running on heresay and internet gossip ??

SHOW US THE PROOF.

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 10:24 (Ref:3201695)

But Brian Budd asked tv3 not to show it, thats proof of evil doing isn't it? I mean thats influencing the media!! He tried to muzzle tv3!!
That has to be proof MSNZ is pure evil

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 10:27 (Ref:3201700)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

Mike, you know exactly where i am coming from, and you choose to ignoe the fact that when all is not rosy in the ST camp, the followers stab even more knives in the back of MSNZ.

do the back stabbers have ABSOLUTE proof of MSNZ wrongdoing, or merely running on heresay and internet gossip ??

SHOW US THE PROOF.

Mpl.....read the liquidators report .....end of..do you find it acceptable that msnz expects the media to run the stories that msnz wants?

smokin'joe · 9 Feb 2013, 11:04 (Ref:3201718)

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Originally Posted by Evomike

Mpl.....read the liquidators report .....end of..

got a link to said report ? havn't read it.

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Originally Posted by Evomike

do you find it acceptable that msnz expects the media to run the stories that msnz wants?

when it comes to media, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. no different to all the turd warfare coming from the ST camp.

was taupo ever on the cards, or were nzst trying to gatecrash?
nzst were never gonna be on the v8sc undercard unless nzv8 reneged, but in both situations, nzst went to the media with crocodile tears.

promax · 9 Feb 2013, 20:23 (Ref:3201952)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Please don't run the article on tv3.

Oh no, I just tried to influence and muzzle tv3.

well if they gonna cry about about st not being at the V8SC meeting.. maybe they should invite the support classes that are meant to make way from the st class. should be interesting to hear how they would feel and their sponsors would feel if they were bumped from the card when they've already made a commitment to attend this meeting. will classes/teams be reimbursed if they are dropped weeks out from the meeting? would Greg care?

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 20:34 (Ref:3201965)

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Originally Posted by promax

well if they gonna cry about about st not being at the V8SC meeting.. maybe they should invite the support classes that are meant to make way from the st class. should be interesting to hear how they would feel and their sponsors would feel if they were bumped from the card when they've already made a commitment to attend this meeting. will classes/teams be reimbursed if they are dropped weeks out from the meeting? would Greg care?

Well as msnz wont discuss it or give reasons I guess we will never know.......as far as im concerned they should never have said they had put st forward...by doing so then withdrawing it makes people question their motives and makes them look silly. It would be interesting to hear what greg mosen thinks.

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 20:44 (Ref:3201984)

Put ST forward? Did they do that? Did they actually say "Yes we will run ST or ask SC abotu running ST there"?
Or was there a meeting and all they said was we will consider it?

As Promax said, once the event is laid out, there are commitments to other classes/sponsors. Not as easy as just saying "you and you are out, these guys are in"
Has there been any news on wether or not the decison was MSNZ and thiers alone? Did the SC's say "no"? Were they even asked?
Seems like there is probably a **** load more to the story than is being portrayed here and by washed up whinger sin the press.
Yes, I did just call murphy a washed up whinger.

Evomike · 9 Feb 2013, 20:51 (Ref:3201999)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Put ST forward? Did they do that? Did they actually say "Yes we will run ST or ask SC abotu running ST there"?
Or was there a meeting and all they said was we will consider it?

As Promax said, once the event is laid out, there are commitments to other classes/sponsors. Not as easy as just saying "you and you are out, these guys are in"
Has there been any news on wether or not the decison was MSNZ and thiers alone? Did the SC's say "no"? Were they even asked?
Seems like there is probably a **** load more to the story than is being portrayed here and by washed up whinger sin the press.
Yes, I did just call murphy a washed up whinger.

You whine about reading what you post. I will say this slowly for you msnz said they had put them forward I didnt say they had dropped nzv8s. Msnz have confirmed that and that it was up to the promoter. Msnz then changed their minds and withdrew their support. Need proof? Read msnzs own press release....ffs

Swedish Brick · 9 Feb 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3202012)

I don't recall seeing anywhere MSNZ saying they were going to include STs in the meeting. Maybe I've missed it. All I've seen is people saying they said that. Got a link to anything official?
Maybe they said "yeah we will look at it" they looked at it, realised they are already commited and said "sorry, can't be done"

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