Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition - Page 311

Artur · 3 Feb 2016, 14:00 (Ref:3611231)

I would think not only that but also the distances involved. Testing in Europe or Bahrain/Abu Dhabi is far cheaper, I would guess.

PorscheFanNo1 · 3 Feb 2016, 14:08 (Ref:3611236)

Its also way cheaper to test at the smooth European and middle East Tilke tracks rather then Sebring, since Sebring tends to breaks everything...

**joeb** · 3 Feb 2016, 14:31 (Ref:3611246)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Its also way cheaper to test at the smooth European and middle East Tilke tracks rather then Sebring, since Sebring tends to breaks everything...

But I'm pretty sure Sebring breaking everything is the exact reason teams test there!

Ephaeton · 3 Feb 2016, 14:48 (Ref:3611252)

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Originally Posted by joeb

But I'm pretty sure Sebring breaking everything is the exact reason teams test there!

Exactly... but then again, if that's all Sebring has to offer (and what else does it offer?), I bet all the manufacturers have cheaper access to rumble strips. Still surprised to not see them testing there.

Artur · 3 Feb 2016, 15:54 (Ref:3611274)

Well, there is no bumpy track on WEC's calendar, or at least no one anywhere near as much as Sebring, so I guess it's kind of pointless to test at such particular track

BullMan · 3 Feb 2016, 16:15 (Ref:3611281)

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Originally Posted by Artur

Well, there is no bumpy track on WEC's calendar, or at least no one anywhere near as much as Sebring, so I guess it's kind of pointless to test at such particular track

Test at Sebring for 24 hours and nothing breaks, and you can run anywhere in Europe for 6 hours no problem.

Artur · 3 Feb 2016, 16:22 (Ref:3611283)

Imo, this would be unecessary and would lead to leaving speed on the table.

If you design a car to survive for 24H at Sebring, then some of the car's components will need to be an awful lot stronger than for LM, which is much smoother.

A car with more fragile components means a faster one and, imho, you wouldn't want an over reliable car because you would trade that for speed

As Collin Chapman, famously, used to say: an ideal car would break off as it crosses the finish line.

TF110 · 3 Feb 2016, 17:35 (Ref:3611303)

Not cracking on Sebring, but other tracks are much better testing venues for the wec. With the lmp1 teams, they have rigs to mimic any circuit they visit and can run super accurate simulations based on laser scaned circuits. They have a good idea of what demands are put on their cars thanks to the continuity of the schedule. And at the least with Toyota (and probably Audi thanks to Sauber) they'll know about Mexico thanks to the f1 teams involvement there. Hell, I'd bet the FIA have given them data from their f1 visit.

Pontlieue · 3 Feb 2016, 18:22 (Ref:3611311)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Not cracking on Sebring, but other tracks are much better testing venues for the wec. With the lmp1 teams, they have rigs to mimic any circuit they visit and can run super accurate simulations based on laser scaned circuits. They have a good idea of what demands are put on their cars thanks to the continuity of the schedule. And at the least with Toyota (and probably Audi thanks to Sauber) they'll know about Mexico thanks to the f1 teams involvement there. Hell, I'd bet the FIA have given them data from their f1 visit.

Toyota's F1 team never ran at Mexico. Toyota was in F1 from 2002-09, Mexico only returned to the calendar last year.

TF110 · 3 Feb 2016, 18:48 (Ref:3611315)

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Originally Posted by Pontlieue

Toyota's F1 team never ran at Mexico. Toyota was in F1 from 2002-09, Mexico only returned to the calendar last year.

I'm not talking about Toyota's f1 team, but the current f1 teams that use the TMG facilities. There's more than 1, Ferrari used them exclusively for their windtunnel in 2014 at least, iirc. In f1, only one can be used for a season. So if they nominate one and their using TMG's, that's the whole season. Of course that's not all TMG is good for. So it's reasonable to think they have data from the f1 teams spending 2015 there. Audi uses Sauber's facilities for their lmp1, so they may have data shared from the f1 race there last year.

chernaudi · 3 Feb 2016, 19:43 (Ref:3611322)

BTW, the Audi and Toyota Paul Ricard test this week was a Michelin tire test using 2015 cars.

chernaudi · 3 Feb 2016, 23:22 (Ref:3611382)

Audi will probably still test their car at Sebring in late Feb/early March. Their test in Dec. wasn't really an endurance test, and they usually do tend to test there usually around twice in the off-season.

Also, I'd expect Audi and possibly Porsche to also test at Monza in April or May.

CyberMotor · 3 Feb 2016, 23:38 (Ref:3611387)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Audi will probably still test their car at Sebring in late Feb/early March.

They seem to like to test just after the 12 Hours so the track is rubbered up and will give more race-like feedback.

Coach Ep · 4 Feb 2016, 13:35 (Ref:3611552)

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Originally Posted by CyberMotor

They seem to like to test just after the 12 Hours so the track is rubbered up and will give more race-like feedback.

Not sure if they like all the Conti stuff out there...

BullMan · 4 Feb 2016, 15:05 (Ref:3611593)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Not sure if they like all the Conti stuff out there...

Remember the joint ALMS-GA race at Road America? Everyone was complaining how awful the circuit was after the GA cars had been on it.

Matt · 4 Feb 2016, 15:14 (Ref:3611596)

Same thing happens everywhere when you've got different tire manufactures competing over the course of an event.

Hell, our late model runs like crap if the pure stocks have been on track before us...the American Racer tires don't like whatever street compounds the pure stocks are running.

You just kinda deal with it because it's a part of racing.

Coach Ep · 4 Feb 2016, 15:41 (Ref:3611600)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Remember the joint ALMS-GA race at Road America?

No, must have missed it, did they really run together??? When was this?

BullMan · 4 Feb 2016, 15:43 (Ref:3611602)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

No, must have missed it, did they really run together??? When was this?

2013. And they didn't bother to do any side-by-side testing after the weekend either.

justracing · 5 Feb 2016, 20:05 (Ref:3612090)

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FormulaFox · 5 Feb 2016, 23:50 (Ref:3612189)

Oreca is getting desperate. They're actually going back to teams that had previously rejected their P2 car and offering them quasi-factory programs in the hopes of getting more of their cars on the 2017 grid. At least one of those teams once again told them to shove it when approached about the matter at Daytona.

MagVanisher · 6 Feb 2016, 07:19 (Ref:3612301)

@FormulaFox
If this pertains to LMP2, then I'd say that Hughes de Chaunac shoot his company in the foot for proposing the 2017 regulations and not getting any car sales except for FLM09 upgrades.

In short, LMP2 in 2017 is in jeopardy and only OAK is making benefits so far with their Ligier car.

Ospi · 6 Feb 2016, 08:08 (Ref:3612309)

Eh, I don't see the issue, they have plenty of teams purchasing cars this season which are to be upgraded to 17 spec.

Simmi · 6 Feb 2016, 09:25 (Ref:3612318)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I'm not talking about Toyota's f1 team, but the current f1 teams that use the TMG facilities. There's more than 1, Ferrari used them exclusively for their windtunnel in 2014 at least, iirc. In f1, only one can be used for a season. So if they nominate one and their using TMG's, that's the whole season. Of course that's not all TMG is good for. So it's reasonable to think they have data from the f1 teams spending 2015 there. Audi uses Sauber's facilities for their lmp1, so they may have data shared from the f1 race there last year.

Quite a few leaps in this logic. Why would F1 car windtunnel data help them with figuring out Mexico? And what makes you think TMG simply have access to all data that is created under their roof? Surely as part of running a successful business they need to make sure teams have their data protected. In professional sport you don't just give that information away.

TF110 · 6 Feb 2016, 09:48 (Ref:3612321)

I never said the windtunnel is where they would get the data, but that they could have it on the simulator. Why would it be a breach in protected data if it's a simulation of a race track? Even if f1 teams don't want to share their setups, or their downforce figures etc., the track is a completely different story.

Simmi · 6 Feb 2016, 10:32 (Ref:3612329)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I never said the windtunnel is where they would get the data, but that they could have it on the simulator. Why would it be a breach in protected data if it's a simulation of a race track? Even if f1 teams don't want to share their setups, or their downforce figures etc., the track is a completely different story.

The F1 teams all have their simulators at their own factories - not at TMG. So like I said I think it's a stretch that TMG are gleaning any benefit from F1 teams who rent out their facilities.

According to this article in Racecar Engineering the circuit models are a team's own IP - http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...tors-revealed/

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