Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition - Page 316

YZFrider · 26 Mar 2016, 22:26 (Ref:3627674)

You're probably right. Though I am curious if the rules (which we don't know much of yet) will be mandating where engines go. All we know is they are increasing safety with cockpit construction and/or location

FormulaFox · 26 Mar 2016, 22:43 (Ref:3627680)

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Originally Posted by CTD

The reason why they did as they did, and did the marketing the way they did, was because of a team who is no longer employed at Nissan.

The publicity team was given the axe. The designers are still with Nissan.

MoMedic9019 · 26 Mar 2016, 23:15 (Ref:3627685)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

The publicity team was given the axe. The designers are still with Nissan.

Nobody was given the axe. They all left on their own accord.

FormulaFox · 26 Mar 2016, 23:41 (Ref:3627692)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Nobody was given the axe. They all left on their own accord.

That's the PR line being given, but after a debacle like that they were most likely shown the door.

Acid09 · 27 Mar 2016, 01:29 (Ref:3627707)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Nobody was given the axe. They all left on their own accord.

Right, they locked themselves out of their own offices, makes sense.

Deleted · 27 Mar 2016, 13:22 (Ref:3627781)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Right, they locked themselves out of their own offices, makes sense.

And he strikes!

CTD · 27 Mar 2016, 14:07 (Ref:3627791)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

The publicity team was given the axe. The designers are still with Nissan.

Ben Bowlby and Darren Cox are both out of Nissan together with the Marketing people. Meaning the people who were behind the concept of the car and the communiction about it.
The remaining designers might be in favour of more traditional and proven concepts if directed in that direction.

Perhaps the Nissan thread should be reawaken?

FormulaFox · 27 Mar 2016, 17:47 (Ref:3627833)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Ben Bowlby and Darren Cox are both out of Nissan together with the Marketing people. Meaning the people who were behind the concept of the car and the communiction about it.
The remaining designers might be in favour of more traditional and proven concepts if directed in that direction.

Perhaps the Nissan thread should be reawaken?

Would you care to cite the source for Bowlby being out? When all this was going down, Cox was the only name I saw listed.

MitchZ06 · 27 Mar 2016, 22:30 (Ref:3627909)

Bowlby was gone before Cox iirc.

Speed-King · 28 Mar 2016, 15:26 (Ref:3628061)

Here's something else:

Seeing how the ACO's GT3 series seems to be struggling for entries and ELMS had to turn away P3 teams, would it make more sense to have one prototype only series for P2+P3 and one GT-series for GTE and GT3-cars?

Deleted · 28 Mar 2016, 15:44 (Ref:3628071)

European LMP1+LMP2+LMP3 Proto Series and LMGTE+GT3+Cup GT Series and you have a deal mister

I don't like depleted half-grids for no reason, the cake has already been divided to too many pieces. But at least with that structure of mine you could retain good numbers and integrity in individual series while getting some respectability back with P1.

deggis · 28 Mar 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3628079)

With a ~10 car GTE (Pro only) grid for LM.

Deleted · 28 Mar 2016, 16:21 (Ref:3628080)

I would love the idea of 45-50 LMPs (even with some LMP3s) at LM, and then the factory LMGTE would be at around that remaining 10-15 slots to fill it up to 60.

**Aysedasi** · 28 Mar 2016, 17:11 (Ref:3628094)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I would love the idea of 45-50 LMPs (even with some LMP3s) at LM, and then the factory LMGTE would be at around that remaining 10-15 slots to fill it up to 60.

Heresy though that would be for many, it would work fine for me........

Deleted · 28 Mar 2016, 17:36 (Ref:3628103)

Nice to hear some agreeing

I would have the entry allocations go sth like this

LMP1 - anyone requesting an entry for any reason with conforming P1 car (unlimited max slots)
LMP2 - the system in use now more or less (max number of entries fully depends on the percentage of other class fill-ups) - ALL reserve cars will be LMP2s
LMP3 - auto invites for class winners of ELMS, ASLMS, ASLMS Sprint, Road to Le Mans, IMSA (LMPC if needed] (max 5 slots) + one additional voluntary "representative" from each manufacturer (max 5 slots)
LMGTE - official factory teams entered for WSC and then possibly their additional oneoff cars (max 10 slots) + "other series" (max 5 slots) - if oversubscribed pre-qualifying shall be held

That will total up to 60 cars (unlimited LMP1 + N/A LMP2 + ?-10x LMP3 + ?-15x LMGTE)

Deleted · 28 Mar 2016, 18:08 (Ref:3628109)

(couldn't edit no more so)

In case of theoretical LMP2 shortcoming (hypothetical huge LMP1 influx and maxed out other classes / massive LMP2 demand) the "manufacturer representative" allocation from LMP3 could be cut to 0 by the decision of ACO, and/or LMGTE total max allocation to 12.

/ fantasy preference mode over

YorkshireLad · 28 Mar 2016, 18:22 (Ref:3628116)

Only 10 GTE? I'd want at least 15-20. I enjoy the GTE battles to the bitter-end, as much as the LMP's.
Am I the only one with that view?

Rodger Davies · 28 Mar 2016, 18:54 (Ref:3628129)

Nope, I'd rather have GT only with factory prototypes than prototype only with factory GTs!

Coach Ep · 28 Mar 2016, 18:57 (Ref:3628131)

I'm fine with GT's (20ish) as long as the Am class gets terminated!

deggis · 28 Mar 2016, 18:59 (Ref:3628132)

Currently 14 in GTE Pro. I did say "~10" so can be more or less depending on applications, but that's about the minimum what is required to have an actual class.

In this fantasy scenario there would be no place for GTE Am.

Deleted · 28 Mar 2016, 19:19 (Ref:3628138)

There should be no place in any scenario for LMGTE-AM

MitchZ06 · 29 Mar 2016, 03:15 (Ref:3628255)

Why? Because we shouldn't allow well funded gentleman drivers to fulfill their dreams and be able to compete for wins against similar skilled competitors?

Genius farmer, genius.

MagVanisher · 29 Mar 2016, 03:45 (Ref:3628258)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

I'm fine with GT's (20ish) as long as the Am class gets terminated!

I can agree with you as GTE-Am is reserved for ELMS/AsLMS. Let the WEC have GTE-Pro Teams!

deggis · 29 Mar 2016, 04:46 (Ref:3628266)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Why? Because we shouldn't allow well funded gentleman drivers to fulfill their dreams and be able to compete for wins against similar skilled competitors?

Genius farmer, genius.

Question-answer: were there no gentlemen before GTE Am? GT1/GT2 era? GTS/GT era? Or pretty much every era before GT Am?

JoestForEver · 29 Mar 2016, 06:16 (Ref:3628286)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Question-answer: were there no gentlemen before GTE Am? GT1/GT2 era? GTS/GT era? Or pretty much every era before GT Am?

I believe there were, but only a fraction of what we are having now.
The thing is, ACO and FIA now believes that, based on numerous collapsed GT series, keeping a GT class alive requires a large number of gentleman drivers. Much larger than we have in previous era.
So keep moaning as you like, the most pragmatic and realistic way is still trophy for everyone.

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