European Formula 3 2014 Thread

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by Alessio

I think Ocon weakened the suspension and it eventually broke when Max hit a kerb

Yes

Originally Posted by www.verstappen.nl

As the lights go out, Max has a fabulous start and is looking to pass pole sitter Esteban Ocon. The Frenchman spots the danger and steers with a blunt manoeuvre towards Max. The Dutch rookie has nowhere to go and the two drivers collide resulting in Max dropping back several places.

After the first lap, Max is in sixth position. However, the front suspension and front wing suffered a blow due to the collision with Ocon. The damage has consequences as Max crashes into the barriers at the Foch chicane.
“I had a good start but Ocon left me not enough space so we collided and I subsequently hit the barriers. My front wing was damaged and the car didn’t turn in properly after the collision. In the end, as I approached the chicane, I suffered a front suspension failure which meant I couldn’t turn the corner and I hit the wall. Not a great way to finish the weekend”, explains a disappointed Max.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Yes

look at the left suspension on Max's car here

[steve nielsen]

and Max Verstappen wasn't the only driver complaining about Ocon, so was Rosenqvist

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113923

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Race 2 results:

1 Blomqvist
2 Ocon
3 Dennis

Race 3 results

1 Rosenqvist
2 Ocon
3 Blomqvist

BTW: Max Verstappen crashed in lap 2 of this race because his suspension failed after Ocon drove into him at the start, I think he should have gotten a drive through for that, but since the race was in France he only got a warning.

Championship standings after Pau:

1 Ocon 164
2 Blomqvist 107
3 Auer 95
4 Verstappen 68
5 Fuocco 67
6 Giovinazzi 61

well verstappen should have got a penalty in hockenheim for his breaking on latifi in race 1 if we go this way.

As specialists said on these incidents , it was hard racing incidents but with not enough malice to justify penalties.

inexperienced driver on street circuit, it is not uncommon as ocon is only on his 3rd year in car racing.

[nobster]

Dirty driving standards by Ocon, don't they have penalty points in F3?
If not it is about time they will be introduced, Ocon getting only a reprimand is ridiculous, but hey he was the home driver...

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by Rf1 Fan

well verstappen should have got a penalty in hockenheim for his breaking on latifi in race 1 if we go this way.

totaly difefrent situation, braking to late or steering into someone.

and Rosenqvist also complained about Ocon

[nobster]

Ocon, the Pastor Maldonado of european F3 championship?

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by nobster

Ocon, the Pastor Maldonado of european F3 championship?

interesting comments to do on a guy who has only a 10% rate of retirement in car racing.

some people need to look into the numbers.

some guys would like to have the same numbers at 17 years old.

[nobster]

Originally Posted by Rf1 Fan

interesting comments to do on a guy who has only a 10% rate of retirement in car racing.

some people need to look into the numbers.

some guys would like to have the same numbers at 17 years old.

has nothing to do with retirement numbers...
more so with his driving standards as been showed last weekend!
very poor!

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

totaly difefrent situation, braking to late or steering into someone.

and Rosenqvist also complained about Ocon

well it is start situation, he was focused on chasing rosenqvist.

he is only in his third year in car racing,so you can give him a rest.

and i don't think felix is completely innocent on that case in race 2, i'm pretty sure that he said this due to frustration by loosing ground in championship.

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by nobster

has nothing to do with retirement numbers...
more so with his driving standards as been showed last weekend!
very poor!

poor driving standards???

Just two mistakes in one meeting in street circuit are enough to judge a driver at 17 years old???

Nobody is perfect, and i think that his results are talking for him, marcus simmons of Autosport seems to agree with me and many other onlookers.

[nobster]

Exactly, TWO unpunished mistakes in one racemeeting costing two rivals good points, so in that case : well done give the boy a cigar!

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by nobster

Exactly, TWO unpunished mistakes in one racemeeting costing two rivals good points, so in that case : well done give the boy a cigar!

if specialists , journalists and stewards went on the same point of view it seems that your are not so right.

that's it, it could be discussed but it is not clear at 100%

[LavidaLoca]

Originally Posted by nobster

Exactly, TWO unpunished mistakes in one racemeeting costing two rivals good points, so in that case : well done give the boy a cigar!

I guess it is down to the concerned drivers to go to report to the Stewards bad behaviour .... If there is any....


Honestly i do not remember any driver dominating Euro F3 in his rookie year like Ocon Does at the moment.

Nobster you like it or not but i guess Max Verstappen will need an other year in F3 to confirm his pace.

[Rf1 Fan]

More importantly Ocon, admitted that he made mistakes.

[nobster]

Nothing wrong with Verstappen doing more years in F3, at sixteen he is imho too young to drive in a higher class.

[Rf1 Fan]

also Verstappen said that he was up to Ocon front wheels when hit him, this is not true, Ocon hit him with his rear wheel in the blind angle.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by Rf1 Fan

also Verstappen said that he was up to Ocon front wheels when hit him, this is not true, Ocon hit him with his rear wheel in the blind angle.

He knew he was there, he was trying to block him, Ocon probably still a bit frustated about all the races he lost against Max in KF3.

and that has nothing to do with finishing percentage, just that he uses unfair blocking when someone tries to pass him.

not just with Max, he also did that to Rosenqvist in race 2.

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

He knew he was there, he was trying to block him, Ocon probably still a bit frustated about all the races he lost against Max in KF3.

and that has nothing to do with finishing percentage, just that he uses unfair blocking when someone tries to pass him.

interesting that you still use karting results as a benchmark.

it is the past.

max is doing very well but please stop trolling ocon at the moment in every occasion . it is utter non sense.


if journalists , people out there and stewards had the same view it shows that you view of the incidents are not 100% clear cut.

[bella]

inclined to agree. this is beginning to sound a bit fanboyish.

and it's a shame for a driver to lose credibility because of the attitude of his supporters.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by Rf1 Fan

interesting that you still use karting results as a benchmark.

it is the past.

max is doing very well but please stop trolling ocon at the moment in every occasion . it is utter non sense.


if journalists , people out there and stewards had the same view it shows that you view of the incidents are not 100% clear cut.

I'm not trolling, just saying he should have had a penalty here

where was I trolling before?

I expalained that to you before what my views are on Ocon and that's not trolling.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bella

inclined to agree. this is beginning to sound a bit fanboyish.

and it's a shame for a driver to lose credibility because of the attitude of his supporters.

Not at all and I'm a bit offended by the accusation.

Ocon has been involved in several incidents and acused of dangerous driving not only by Max, but by Rosenqvist as well.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113923

and Ocon also was given a warning flag for the incident with Max.

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Not at all and I'm a bit offended by the accusation.

Ocon has been involved in several incidents and acused of dangerous driving not only by Max, but by Rosenqvist as well.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113923

and Ocon also was given a warning flag for the incident with Max.

2 incidents in 9 races???

In street circuit and one in the rain.

maybe should we compare with statistics of other drivers maybe?


If they were so unhappy, why they did not report to stewards, if it was so scandalous behaviour?


So yes one warning flag, but then it showed that there was a mistake from Ocon but not enough for a drive through.

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

I'm not trolling, just saying he should have had a penalty here

where was I trolling before?

I expalained that to you before what my views are on Ocon and that's not trolling.

When you try to explain a supposedly anti sporting behaviour by past results of karting it is useless.

At this point i consider it is trolling somebody.

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Ocon has been involved in several incidents and acused of dangerous driving not only by Max, but by Rosenqvist as well.

Several incidents = 2?

Verstappen fan?

Ocon is best driver this season, Rosenqvist and Verstappen are complaining because that's what racing drivers do when someone's better.