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5 Feb 2003, 02:14 (Ref:496833)
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Test in the west
the IRL teams are currently at Pheonix raceway for their "test in the west" which so far is going well.
session 2 has just finished with some impressive times being se. Felipe Giaffone has set the pace early on but is being hounded by Tomas Schekter, some of the new boys such as Kanaan and Dario are also doing quite well. here is the top 10 after the second session. [list=1][*]Felipe Giaffone 31.8988[*]Tomas Schekter 32.2601[*]Tony Kanaan 32.3527[*]Dario Franchitti 32.3546[*]Gil de Ferran 32.3559[*]Scott Dixon 32.4429[*]Toranasuke Takagi 32.4679 [*]Al Unser Jr 32.5747[*]Helio Castroneves 32.5779[*]Kenny Brack 32.6351[/list=1] close behind them in 11th is AJ Foyt the 4th in an impressive Indycar debut with vitor Miera,Sam Hornish Jnr, Jacques lazier, Dan Wheldon, Eddie Cheever , Scott Sharp , Roger Yasukawa,Robbie Buhl and Sarah Fisher bringing up the rear. |
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In Loving memory of Peter Brock I hate it when im driving in a straight line & Seb Vettel runs into me GO THE MIGHTY HAWKS !!!! |
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5 Feb 2003, 04:44 (Ref:496890)
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Well it looks like honda got up to speed with no problems! Are any of those top times from a chevy engine?
Will GM be able to compete with Toyota and Honda? Chevy might be lucky to win 2 or 3 races if they don't get their act together. |
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5 Feb 2003, 09:01 (Ref:497030)
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Top Chevy was 12th.
The g-force looks quick straight out of the box as well! Fontana is flat all the way round so it's engines and aerodynamics that rule. At Phoenix in a couple of days handling and driver skill shows more. If the G-Force Toyota/Honda combos dominate there then Chevy/Dallara could be in for a tough season. But it is early yet - time to change things still. Could be a fascinating season. |
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5 Feb 2003, 16:52 (Ref:497433)
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The guys coming in from the other side seem to ahve things sewn up, looks like Sam will be lucky to even finsih in teh Top 5 this year, and as if all the small teams Tony claimed to set the championship up for have been sold down the river.
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6 Feb 2003, 12:10 (Ref:498319)
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Giaffone has been dominating so far, looks like he could be the man to beat this year.
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6 Feb 2003, 12:34 (Ref:498354)
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And anyway Giaffone and Nunn were in the IRL last year, the 'other side' haven't got anything sewn up. |
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6 Feb 2003, 14:36 (Ref:498504)
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Kanaan, Franchitti and Dixon haven't though.
Anyway, the point I meant was that the teams who ar ein their second IRL season will have learned more about the cars and the racing, adn the guys who were more used to the balanced schedule will be getting used to doing ovals every time. 9 of the teams in the Top 10, and 7 of the drivers, where in ChampCars 2 years ago. That's a pretty dramatic swing. |
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6 Feb 2003, 14:42 (Ref:498513)
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I think Tagaki will be able to shine this year, don't be suprised if he takes a win
 Major unlucky to the teams that stayed with Chevy, you win some, you lose some 
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8 Feb 2003, 01:08 (Ref:500195)
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Whats the total combined times from both Cali and Phoenix?
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8 Feb 2003, 15:37 (Ref:500643)
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is it true that chevy is dropping out of the irl next year? i hope not , becanse it would be shame not to have an american engine in the series.
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8 Feb 2003, 16:13 (Ref:500664)
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AGR, there has been no official announcement, only speculation. Hopefully they will put up enough cash to compete with Toyota and Honda. I agree that it would be a shame to not have an American engine manufacturer in the IRL.
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8 Feb 2003, 23:38 (Ref:501016)
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I agree as well , it needs an american based powerplant in there to appeal to the masses , and everyone loves a Chevy
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9 Feb 2003, 04:25 (Ref:501166)
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Chevy are in the first year of a 3 year contract though remember to supply engines. I suppose it can be bought out though.
Some of you are pretty pessimistic about Chevy's chances after just one batch of test sessions. The only way to judge whether they are competitive or not is on the racetrack. |
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11 Feb 2003, 20:18 (Ref:503670)
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Isn't it clear now that the talented drivers were once driving in CART? You can't take a bunch of washed up sprint car drivers and make them instant IRL drivers, like the Earl has tried so many times before. When Chevy leaves, you'll be in the same boat as CART was last year. When the new and improved CART lends it's top drivers to F1, your "new stars" will be trying to claw their way back in hopes they can drive an F1 car just once. The only problem is, they are damaged goods now. Nobody wants an Earl driver to sit in their McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Minardi, or whatever. Earl is a dumping ground for scrubs.
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11 Feb 2003, 21:14 (Ref:503712)
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Re: Test in the west
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11 Feb 2003, 23:24 (Ref:503867)
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the best drivers the Yen can buy
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11 Feb 2003, 23:33 (Ref:503876)
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yea camcartfan, bptccwspbf is getting all the talented drivers now. Or the best drivers Mr. Pook can buy.
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12 Feb 2003, 10:01 (Ref:504175)
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As i said earlier, Chevy are contracted to supply engines for another 3 years. |
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12 Feb 2003, 14:45 (Ref:504499)
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Tony George's original stated vision has been blown away. Now this is the kind of series he set up the IRL to offer an alternative to.
Big money teams competing here at the insistance of the sponsors, smaller squads being squeezed out, teams who can't afford top engines being unable to compete, almost all the frontrunners coming from outside America... There are only two reasonabel conclusions that can be taken: a) Tony's original intentions fo rthe series were not profitable enough, so he's ubtly changed tack by trying to kill the rivals off and crush their thrilling racing in favour of his own championship. b) That was the idea all along, with the smaller entrants in the early days, who were just as heavily funded as the new CART entrants, being mere pawns in all this. |
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12 Feb 2003, 16:21 (Ref:504569)
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I think you're off target boots. Read the reply Fred Nation gave in this article http://autoextremist.com/page3.shtml#note
Speculation runs rampant on the web. Sometimes it helps to get information like this. However, businesses can't consistantly put an end to every lie started on the web! Whether that business is auto racing or balloons.They have a business to run. For example. Watch the replies that pour in calling Fred a ball faced liar or worst. |
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15 Feb 2003, 23:39 (Ref:508116)
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why do all you guys hate the IRL? cant we all just get along? if you have such an intense dislike of it why would you come onto these pages? i may be fairly new here but my understanding is that this is a discussion forum for IRL fans. True, i will just follow Kanaan to which ever code he goes, but reading the totally unnecessary posts about how terrible the IRL is still upsets me. cant you go discuss that on the CART forum? im sure it will be much more appreciated there.
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16 Feb 2003, 16:00 (Ref:508604)
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Agreed Jenna,for the record the IRL provides closer and more exciting racing than any other senior formula, with plenty of overtaking.
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18 Feb 2003, 01:03 (Ref:510090)
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Tuck in tight, get the slingshot and you're by. That's talent? Come on now....
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