GTE Speculation - Page 2

Graham Goodwin · 28 Nov 2011, 22:43 (Ref:2992687)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Stunning! Surely you must be referring to Aston and BMW which were not listed and not officially announced?
If not... Who's left? What a great problem to have in the off season, not being able to name all the next years' entries.

Nope - not Aston or BMW

Canada ALMS fan · 28 Nov 2011, 22:57 (Ref:2992691)

^Wow, everyone sounds like they're jumping in the pool then. The only other 2 true GT marques I can think of are Alfa Romeo and Bentley. Hyundai would have to be considered too as they are trying to go up-market. After that, we're into the boutique brands like Koenigsegg and Pagani...

FordCosworthPanoz · 28 Nov 2011, 23:01 (Ref:2992692)

Lada and Scion?

Dented Table · 28 Nov 2011, 23:26 (Ref:2992704)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

^Wow, everyone sounds like they're jumping in the pool then. The only other 2 true GT marques I can think of are Alfa Romeo and Bentley. Hyundai would have to be considered too as they are trying to go up-market. After that, we're into the boutique brands like Koenigsegg and Pagani...

It would certainly be amazing to watch the mighty Zonda and Koenigsegg do battle with the little Lotus GTE!

But, obviously the problem is the money. You can't just run a Zonda for 24 hours and run into people.

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Lada and Scion?

I think not!!! Something to consider for BTCC!

I have found something kind of interesting. It seems like all the "hybrid" cars turn out to be LMPs. What about a hybrid GTE? Project 56 could have very well been a GTE-spec project, and Hope Racing could have run a GTE Hybrid like a Alfa Romeo 8C or something, lol.

I think, if we're lucky (WE being GTE fans!), we could see the GTE entries go well past 25. I know we are getting ahead of ourselves, Graham, but keep on dreamin'!

Now, what about a Nissan GT-R team in GTE full time? Also, it's about time Audi decided to make a GTE version of the R8... it was practically screaming for it.

alexkiller8 · 29 Nov 2011, 00:45 (Ref:2992726)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

^Wow, everyone sounds like they're jumping in the pool then. The only other 2 true GT marques I can think of are Alfa Romeo and Bentley. Hyundai would have to be considered too as they are trying to go up-market. After that, we're into the boutique brands like Koenigsegg and Pagani...

sure the little problem is that alfa romeo doesn't build a GT type car from years (the 8c is de facto a modified maserati) and surely can't hope to develope a gte car working on the brera chassis... then i think that the cars made by bentley are suitable more to run in v8 superstar.
About pagani, in early 2000 a private team modified a street zonda to make it run at le mans in GTS class, but the results were face-palming, some year later has been built a GT1 version of the zonda but also this was discharged after some test.

Mt. Lynx · 29 Nov 2011, 06:06 (Ref:2992788)

Jaguar? Or Cadillac? CTS-V Coupé GTE Sounds OK to me.

Accident · 29 Nov 2011, 10:27 (Ref:2992878)

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Originally Posted by Mt. Lynx

Jaguar? Or Cadillac? CTS-V Coupé GTE Sounds OK to me.

I really doubt GM would build a Cadillac to race against the Corvette, especially since they already have the WC CTS-V Coupes running.

All these rumors have me thinking that the ALMS should go GT only. I guess that's a subject for a different thread, but obviously there is a lot of interest in the GTE class right now, and I would love for these great cars to take a star role in a series, the cars and the racing are too good to just be "those things the prototypes pass." Perhaps the lure of overall wins could lure the Viper and LF-A projects out...

Mt. Lynx · 29 Nov 2011, 12:35 (Ref:2992933)

I just noticed Gumpert has something under wraps. Will be unveiled at Geneva in March. Could this be a GTE version of the Apollo?

Dead-Eye · 29 Nov 2011, 13:20 (Ref:2992951)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

^Wow, everyone sounds like they're jumping in the pool then. The only other 2 true GT marques I can think of are Alfa Romeo and Bentley. Hyundai would have to be considered too as they are trying to go up-market. After that, we're into the boutique brands like Koenigsegg and Pagani...

Alfa doesn't have anything that would make a suitable base for a GTE in production right now. I suppose they could use the 8C, but since that's out of production I don't think it's likely.

TF110 · 29 Nov 2011, 21:22 (Ref:2993171)

Nothing stopping the Fords from being used though. It sounds like a smaller car company will enter, someone weve left out. Maybe Subaru with the BRZ, they've already confirmed GT300 in SuperGT, which is loaded with GT3 cars...

trahsub · 29 Nov 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2993172)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Nothing stopping the Fords from being used though. It sounds like a smaller car company will enter, someone weve left out. Maybe Subaru with the BRZ, they've already confirmed GT300 in SuperGT, which is loaded with GT3 cars...

BRZ with a 2.0L four-banger? Yikes! That thing would be a show stopper...meaning the parade of cars behind it would be stopped dead (or close to it).

TF110 · 29 Nov 2011, 21:40 (Ref:2993177)

Yet GT300 class cars are faster than GTE. Yikes, looks like you speak too soon. Their HP is limited to around 300hp, and still beat GT3 cars? The engine isn't a problem. IF it's even them.

Dead-Eye · 29 Nov 2011, 23:26 (Ref:2993221)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Nothing stopping the Fords from being used though.

That wasn't Ford itself though, they were just blessing a private project. I find a factory (even in the sense of a factory building cars to sell to privateers) project with an outdated car less likely.

trahsub · 30 Nov 2011, 02:09 (Ref:2993276)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Yet GT300 class cars are faster than GTE. Yikes, looks like you speak too soon. Their HP is limited to around 300hp, and still beat GT3 cars? The engine isn't a problem. IF it's even them.

I have a hunch any BRZ running in ACO based racing would be slow as heck, Lotus Evora style.

gustavobamba · 30 Nov 2011, 09:48 (Ref:2993393)

Well is really true a GT300 car is faster than a GTE car? there are between them 100+ bhp difference (in favor of GTE).
So where are the differences? is just the aerodynamics? The Weight?

I would like to see the new Subaru BRZ GT300 run in Le Mans and see if he could do beat the 4:00m mark.

By the Way the Deltawing will have the same power than this Subaru (300BHP) so... expert guy´s start to talk :-)

alexkiller8 · 30 Nov 2011, 16:09 (Ref:2993528)

JAF GT300 cars are prototypes similiar to the GT500, have a better aero but have less power than GT2/GT3 cars that ran in GT300, it means that in tracks like autopolis where an aero efficency is required JAF-GT300 cars are better, in other tracks like the fuji where is required an high top speed the GT2/GT3 cars are better.
This year the gt2/gt3 cars had a better bop that let them be more competitive than the jaf prototypes.

NaBUru38 · 30 Nov 2011, 17:41 (Ref:2993560)

In short, ACO should seriously consider allow GT3-spec cars in the GTE class. There's no other way to attract more manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by Dented Table

Project 56 could have very well been a GTE-spec project

The DeltaWing can't be a grand tourer, come on!

Simmi · 30 Nov 2011, 19:17 (Ref:2993602)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

In short, ACO should seriously consider allow GT3-spec cars in the GTE class. There's no other way to attract more manufacturers.

You've actually read this thread about all the new potential GTE manufacturers right?

**joeb** · 1 Dec 2011, 01:07 (Ref:2993749)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

In short, ACO should seriously consider allow GT3-spec cars in the GTE class. There's no other way to attract more manufacturers.

It seems that isn't necessary, there is plenty of manufacturer interest currently, and more on the way.

Current
Porsche
Ferrari
BMW
Ford
Corvette
Jaguar
Lotus

Rumoured
Audi
Mercedes
Mclaren
Lambo
Nissan
Lexus
Viper

TF110 · 1 Dec 2011, 08:12 (Ref:2993830)

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Originally Posted by joeb

It seems that isn't necessary, there is plenty of manufacturer interest currently, and more on the way.

Current
Porsche
Ferrari
BMW
Ford
Corvette
Jaguar
Lotus

Rumoured
Audi
Mercedes
Mclaren
Lambo
Nissan
Lexus
Viper

After next year there may be no BMW. Ford isn't very well represented and Jaguar/Lotus are too slow. So you really only have Vette Ferrari and Porsche that're long term if you think about it.

JAG · 1 Dec 2011, 17:32 (Ref:2994044)

While BMW's a quality entrant, they're only putting two cars into any particular series, Mclaren, AMG Mercedes, *Audi and Nissan would all be customer focused like Porsche and Ferrari.

*Should the GTE be a worldwide, fully homolgated, car.

WMUCarGuy · 1 Dec 2011, 18:24 (Ref:2994063)

It was just announced that the new Viper would be unveiled at next year's New York Auto Show in April of 2012. I'd guess that means we won't be seeing a GTE Viper til at least late 2012 or 2013, if at all.

The Badger · 1 Dec 2011, 20:36 (Ref:2994107)

No surprise really , we have been hearing about a new Viper for years . Begining to sound a bit like Mazda to me !!! Believe it when you see it .

pederb · 1 Dec 2011, 20:44 (Ref:2994109)

But the announcement of Vipers in Rolex and GA points to that something is cooking at Dodge. Preparation of an upcoming model perhaps?

Cheers

NaBUru38 · 2 Dec 2011, 13:42 (Ref:2994391)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Audi
Mercedes
Mclaren
Lambo
Nissan
Lexus
Viper

Being interested in GTE is one thing, having sold dozens of GT3s is another.

McLaren and Lexus were certainly interested, but doesn't seem now. The only one I trust to build a GTE in 2013 is Dodge.

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