Spa Classic Touring cars

[terence]

Reassuring to know that ALL parts of these engines are available new and off the shelf. Obviously another Ford success storey.

[zefarelly]

I don't think Ford have anything much to do with it, but you can build most of their engines from the 60's from scratch, with new parts.

[terence]

Thought Ford were responsible for new X Cross flows?

[Duddha]

Hi everyone !

So, to let everyone know, the regulations for the Spa Classic Endurance race, which include the two Touring Car grids and the Sixties Endurance for the Spa Classic event is now avalaible on our website :

Website :
http://www.peter-auto-racing.com/ind...=4&lang=dpx_uk

Direct link to the regulations :
http://www.peter-auto-racing.com/ima...ce_2013_V2.pdf

Let me know what you think of it !

Best regards from the Peter Auto team.

Louis.

[zefarelly]

My only comment re pre66 is that all of us normally race on Dunlop M's or L's . . . why allow Avons for this?

[terence]

As they look quite period,I think the treaded Avons will do me as its a 74 car anyway. Like the penalties for non use of the racing line. I assume this to mean going over the track limit line?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

My only comment re pre66 is that all of us normally race on Dunlop M's or L's . . . why allow Avons for this?

Certainly the performance of Pre 66 cars, if running Avon ZZ, will be closer to the later cars- especially if wet. Not sure if that is good or bad!

Louis, couple of comments.

Rain Tyres are 'Free'. This is then countered by 'tyres with modern post 1984 patterns are forbidden. This is important as there are modern radial Formula tyres for 13" wheels that are much faster in wet than period tyres! I would be quite happy if all tyres had to be checked and marked at technical admin.

HTP. The regs state 'The Organisers are free to accept a car whose homologation forms are being issued.' Do you mean HTP? If so, will you be requiring proof of this, as it would be easy for an entrant to say that HTP has been applied for when in fact it hasn't.....


My prospective co-driver has declared his interest in sharing the race with me, so just need to sort out the clash with Masters Brands Hatch, where am supposed to be sharing another car! If that can be overcome you will be receiving entry form from me.

[Teddington Ted]

Louis

This meeting is looking very attractive - just to underline Joe's point about tyres for pre 66 cars; most, if not all, of us run on Dunlops so it would be better not to introduce Avons (Dunlops work in the wet too with a light right foot). I felt uncomfortable about running the TR2 on Avons at Le Mans Classic but did it because of the performance advantage. I'm thinking about running the Plus 4 in your Sixties Endurance race and would prefer that Dunlops are the control tyre - the car is set up for them and Avons would be an unwelcome extra expense if I choose to go that route.

thanks

Mark

[Duddha]

So, regarding your questions :

Regarding the tyres, we will accept the Pre 66' under 2000cc (Grid 1) to run on CR6ZZ or Dunlops. Most series only accept Dunlops but we accept CR6ZZ as it is a more user friendly tyre and as you probably know, other races like the Spa 6 Hours accept it as well with TC racing in the enduro.

As a good friend said to me, a GT40 goes faster at Spa on Dunlops than CR6ZZ, I think it is up to your driving style and certainly the car.

60's Endurance has been running on CR6ZZ since its introduction but you can also race on Dunlops if you wish.

For the HTP and rain tyres, what is certain is that our system works regarding the file you will send us. We want a maximum of informations and also a full copy of every entered HTP to select the cars.

Of course, sometimes we have cars coming without HTP but our team of scrutineers will be there to check the car and that it complies with the FIA Appendix K and our specific regulations.

And if this car wants to come back in our races it will need a HTP or a proof that they've applied for it.

For the tyres, we have a parc fermé at the end of every races so we will be able to check the cars after the race.

Please note that in 60's Endurance last year, we did numerous engine capacity checks and a frontrunner was disqualified at Spa for example.

We also verify the weight and other numerous points and when needed, we directly go to the engine preparator of the car to verify the capacity of the engine in the car.

Best regards, Louis.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

Its likely I'll be sharing with an Extra from 'Ice Age'

Is it Kimi ?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

Is it Kimi ?

I thought Joe meant Scrat?

Louis, thanks for the clarifications. Sounds like you have it all under control!

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

I thought Joe meant Scrat?

I understand that the co driver is training abroad and has lost weight !

[zefarelly]

Close . . . long hair . . . likes a pint off duty . . . .

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

I understand that the co driver is training abroad and has lost weight !

Given those lardy northern birds the slip?

[Duddha]

Hi,

anyone of you visiting Rétromobile in Paris, early february ?

Louis.

[Mike Bell]

Not planned but always worth a visit. Will have to see how car prep goes in next month!

Have you got a stand there?

[johngee]

Can't make Retromobile this year but I went 2 years ago with Tim Falce and Uncle Eric. Had a great time and recommend a visit to anybody

[terence]

Probably the company helped John

[Clive Brown]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

But the question is year period spec aside what were they getting from a 2.0 bd engine? lets say dry sumped ali or cast block with period injection kugel or lucas or any other mechanical injection.

I have Cosworth BDG spec. sheets for 1975 spec. BDG in front of me. Engine was 1975 cc, 90.00mm bore x 77.7mm stroke. Iron block, dry sumped, Lucas mechanical injection, 270 bhp@ 9000rpm. 1976 engine quoted as 280 bhp @9250rpm.

I'd always thought that the BDG actually had a 77.62mm stroke, which more accurately equates to 1975cc

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Not planned but always worth a visit. Will have to see how car prep goes in next month!

Have you got a stand there?

Yes we've got a stand there so if anyone comes by on Friday/Friday evening, I'll be happy to welcome you

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Clive Brown

I have Cosworth BDG spec. sheets for 1975 spec. BDG in front of me. Engine was 1975 cc, 90.00mm bore x 77.7mm stroke. Iron block, dry sumped, Lucas mechanical injection, 270 bhp@ 9000rpm. 1976 engine quoted as 280 bhp @9250rpm.

I'd always thought that the BDG actually had a 77.62mm stroke, which more accurately equates to 1975cc

both set of figures are impressive......

[Robert Farrell]

Originally Posted by Duddha

Yes we've got a stand there so if anyone comes by on Friday/Friday evening, I'll be happy to welcome you

We arrive Friday at Gare du Nord 16.30 Hrs. Hope we can make it. We`ve lots of questions.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Robert Farrell

We arrive Friday at Gare du Nord 16.30 Hrs. Hope we can make it. We`ve lots of questions.

Will questions an answers be put on here afterwards?

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

Will questions an answers be put on here afterwards?

I'll be at Retromobile for friday "nocturne" and I'll answer your questions

[john ruston]

May be at show Wednesday /Thursday.
Still awaiting answer to exchange dosh!