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I get the impression it was more that the team let them down by not providing a consistently competitive car. Both of them have proven elsewhere that they are/were race winners with potential for WDC. I don't imagine being 'useless' in a Williams is likely to earn a seat in a Merc? |
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i don't want to be that guy, but a few years ago before he became fashionable to cheer for, he was the butt of the jokes for taking a very long time to win the f3 title. and that was with prema...
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Well looks like Sirotkin it will be. Guess there was no guarantee Kubica would be quite the same and it seemed Sirotkin did better in a well sorted car during the test. Wonder though if Kubica might help with development. Such a shame Wehrlein seems to have missed out, we'll if Sirotkin makes the most of his chance it looked like he missed (like Hartley has done)
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To be fair though, Williams doesn't seem to be quite as fearsome a place under Claire as it was when Frank and Patrick were prowling the garage.
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while im sad that we probably wont see a Kubica comeback story i feel like i am still more interested in seeing a younger line up at Williams.
ideally i would like to see Wehrlein paired with Stroll but, then again, overall i like it anytime we can see more youngsters get their shot so im looking forward to see what Sirotkin can do next year. certainly agree with you guys about the decline of Williams though but the financial realities of F1 means it is what it is. financial equality in the prize fund is probably unlikely so maybe its more optimistic to hope/require the larger teams to fund their development drivers at a rate that is equal to both what can be gained through private funding and/or at a level now required due to the financial inequalities the large teams themselves have created. |
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So much for the story last year of Martini wanting a "mature" driver for the Williams as they advertise alcohol then...that was cobblers..
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Don't get me wrong, you can't argue about the results, Frank and Patrick are both legends, absolutely no argument there, my point was Kyvat benefiting from the arm around the shoulder approach, far more likely with Claire, Rob Smedley, Paddy Lowe etc, mind you, probably all by the by really.
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He has come on very nicely the last few years though, performing well in everything. All said, it would be a risk with Stroll in the other car, still with lots to learn. Kubica is the romantic choice but Wehrlein the sensible one imo. |
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don't think sirotkin will disgrace himself, and i think wehrlein's whined himself out of formula one. anyone who's making out like there's an obvious answer to this is making it up though. |
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With Prema, he won the title immediately, 16 poles and 13 wins. |
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Granted, he did finish in the top 3 twice prior to that, but the fact remains that if any F1 team thought he was genuinely good enough, he'd have been in (and quite possibly out of) F1 by now. |
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Wehrlein must have a shocker of a rep in the paddock for him to be not considered firstly for FI, and now for Williams after losing his seat in the slowest team. Sounds like he's di Resta-ed himself. Shame really, because he got the results for Sauber when the opportunity presented themselves. He didn't blow Ericsson out of the water though, which I'm sure didn't help.
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Nasr did a better job against Ericsson than Wehrlein it seems.
But then Ericsson isn't bog slow. He has always been fast just not very consistent. |
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Agree, Ericsson isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be. If he holds his own against Leclerc next year, that will be three years in a row he's measured admirably against highly-rated teammates.
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Yes Ericsson is talented, he didn't do too bad in junior formula, but he has never really made the most of it
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Ericsson is a good driver...
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Bottom line, I'm becoming more and more of a Claire Williams fan. Still think stroll is a joke, though... |
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How could you turn that down, because it must be going straight back into the running of the team. Possibly part of the reason that Williams have made the technical hires recently that they have. |
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What I can't speak to is how much "drive" Claire has vs. Frank. And given the narrative of Frank's personality from the documentary, maybe not being "exactly" like Frank might be a good thing! (Nothing against Frank, here, but maybe I wouldn't want to be his spouse or young child!) Another thought is that... maybe "Williams F1" needed someone like Frank with his laser focus to get to this point in the early days. But today, maybe not so much? Not to say they can relax, but my point is that the "optimal" leadership style may change over time given various factors. Even with Patrick Head eventually being a strong partner, it seemed Williams was mostly a two person show (from a leadership perspective). Holding it all together via force of will. Today, teams can have a deeper management structure/leadership team that doesn't require everyone to be "on" 24/7. Richard |
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I think the interesting comparison for Williams is Force India, Williams have the same engine and a much larger budget but can't compete anywhere near the level of Force India.
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