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21 Apr 2016, 08:51 (Ref:3635352) | #10276 | ||
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Isn't it time to move on and simply wait for the result of the appeal ?
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21 Apr 2016, 14:17 (Ref:3635409) | #10277 | ||
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That's a very good point. But then again, the LMP1 rules stated and still state "no movable bodywork/elements", very black and white as well. If the rules only said something like "car's bodywork has to withstand N amount of pressure with only X amount of flex, then it would have been perfectly OK. Anyway, God knows when the decision on Audi #7 becomes final. |
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21 Apr 2016, 15:49 (Ref:3635438) | #10278 | ||
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http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/a...one-exclusion/
Case closed, Audi accepts the decision and doesn't appeal. |
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21 Apr 2016, 15:52 (Ref:3635439) | #10279 | ||
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We already know that there's a 90% chance that the appeal won't change anything. Probably better to move on to current testing and Spa.
EDIT: Audi withdrew the appeal to move and and focus on Spa and current testing. They admitted fault for miscalculating the set up. Also supports what some observed about the car bouncing/proposing a lot. Last edited by chernaudi; 21 Apr 2016 at 15:59. |
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21 Apr 2016, 16:00 (Ref:3635441) | #10280 | ||
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Tech stuff: Has Audi reverted to running conventional strakes on the front diffuser?
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21 Apr 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3635450) | #10283 | ||
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Also, Audi are running at Aragon for 5 days now. I do wonder if they're testing both the sprint and LM bodywork for possible use at Spa. I also wonder if they're testing the FRIC system to dial in the set up to eliminate that proposing. Audi Sport have basically admitted that's the primary culprit for the skid wear, and it couldn't have helped the car's performance, either.
It's stuff like this why I suggest that there's a lot more to come out of this car. |
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21 Apr 2016, 17:08 (Ref:3635462) | #10284 | ||
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Long term rumor for Audi: Sport Auto are saying that Audi are working on fuel cell tech for road cars and racing cars. If Audi stay in LMP1 beyond 2020, they may use such technology on their car.
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21 Apr 2016, 17:21 (Ref:3635467) | #10285 | ||
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That´s why i believe BMW will make an LMP1 car ... because WEC and Le Mans will be the one´s to accept fuel cell tech in the future...
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21 Apr 2016, 17:27 (Ref:3635472) | #10286 | |
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Big no to the fuel cell. Horrible technology that has no future.
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21 Apr 2016, 21:17 (Ref:3635529) | #10288 | |
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The auto industry, especially in Detroit, also proudly said that electric cars had no future. Then some mad billionaire made a Tesla roadster, followed by the Model S and then magically GM and Nissan are making electric cars suddenly.
It's a technology with no future until someone spends the time and money to make it worthwhile. |
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21 Apr 2016, 21:19 (Ref:3635530) | #10289 | ||
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If you draw the line you have a bucket list of huge disadvantages with that technology for just 1 advantage. The only reason it's even considered in the first place is that oil companies are for obvious reasons hugely supportive of FCEVs over BEVs. |
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21 Apr 2016, 22:44 (Ref:3635550) | #10290 | |
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Most of what you just said is opinionated or fixable. This isn't the thread to talk about fcv's or the Mirai. But lots of the same things were said about the Prius.
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22 Apr 2016, 00:32 (Ref:3635564) | #10291 | ||
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LPG fuel cell anyone? |
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22 Apr 2016, 06:44 (Ref:3635604) | #10292 | ||
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22 Apr 2016, 07:28 (Ref:3635607) | #10293 | ||
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The thing is, fuel cell tech relies purely on electro-chemic reaction and isn't constrained by fuel type, be it hydrogen, fossil fuel, biomass. And it's way more efficient than ICE while avoiding the problem of EV (limited range, limited charging dock, not as eco-friendly as you might think).
Prius, exactly, exhibits every problem of current EV/hybrid cars. The production of battery is disastrous for environment, and the electricity production still uses fossil fuel with the same pollutants. Sent from my SM-G9250 using Tapatalk |
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22 Apr 2016, 11:18 (Ref:3635646) | #10294 | |
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How disastrous is production of batteries? Sources?
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22 Apr 2016, 11:41 (Ref:3635653) | #10295 | ||
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Source: Elon Musk documentary. As for batteries being bad for the environment, that's certainly an issue. But then again, when was the last time an oil well or coal mine was good? You know what is good for the environment? Solar, wind and wave. How do we store that energy? Batteries. And of course battery technology is still developing all the time and we will get better with it. |
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22 Apr 2016, 13:13 (Ref:3635670) | #10296 | |
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You are also not counting how much energy is used for refining crude oil, and how much energy is needed for it's transportation.
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22 Apr 2016, 13:31 (Ref:3635676) | #10297 | ||
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As a non-professional I think fuel cell technology is the way to go, because you can refuel way faster than charging your battery. Of course there are fast-charging technologies out there, but fuel cell technology has still an advantage when it comes down to refueling time. It takes 4 minutes to fill up the tank for the next 500 kilometers, quite comparable to what we are getting used to today.
So I really hope Audi pushes the technology further and get it ready for racing. |
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22 Apr 2016, 14:02 (Ref:3635679) | #10298 | ||
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23 Apr 2016, 18:33 (Ref:3635895) | #10299 | |
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If batteries had better ability to handle fast charging, and had an energy density of ~600w hr/kg I would sell my gas car for electric in a heartbeat.
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23 Apr 2016, 18:57 (Ref:3635902) | #10300 | ||
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And that's why we have diesels, gasoline electric and diesel electric hybrids. The electric motors are supposed to be range extenders. Granted, that's not exactly how they're used in racing, but there's also potential for good electric hybrid vehicles that can be used for both economy and performance in the nearer term.
And of course, smaller diesel engined cars in Europe get just as good if not better mileage and economy as hybrids do. I also find it strange and ironic that the enhanced mobility LMP2 car that Audi are supporting for LM is a Pescarolo/Morgan with a Nissan engine in it, especially after the threats of lawsuits and countersuits between Audi and Nissan over the use of the Q name being part of each companies' SUV line ups and is now used for Infiniti sedans. |
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