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Old 25 Dec 2013, 10:41 (Ref:3347752)   #1
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Your top 11 teams of 2013

You can go for the championship order if you wish, or vary it if you think a team did well with what they had and outperformed a (for instance) far richer team.

The criteria are yours. What are yours?

1. Red Bull

Superior in most aspects. Managed to win ones they nearly screwed up (like Brazil with the pitstop problem). Politically astute (yuck) as Horner seems to know who to cosy up to. Not interested in that last aspect, though, but they were amazing and had the best-performing driver. Webber was disappointing, but look at their points haul.

2. Lotus

Despite a penchant for non-payment, Permane's comments to Kimi and choosing the stunningly mediocre Heikki Kovalainen as a sub, they delivered some top results and probably made more out of their situation than the mightily financed Mercedes and mightily financed and politically influential Ferrari. Will they have another 1996 in 2014?

3. Force India

Got some excellent results again and it only unravelled when the Pirellis went against them. Still, you can't sneeze too much at sixth.

4. Mercedes

Made a good fist of it at last (wonder how Schumy feels). 3 wins is alright. Probably a huge relief to just get that many. Expectations will be high though and being a manufacturer, you worry they won't be around forever if things don't get even better.

5. Ferrari

They seem to have a belief they should be at the top because they're Ferrari and frankly, with the financial favours they get, yes, they should be better. They made themselves look a bit silly with the di Montezemolo/ Alonso spat if that was even indeed anything more than media-stirred nonsense. And of course they got some wins. But they slipped back a bit badly. Not as slow as Fernando Alonso (another Nigel Mansell in the "I overcame adversity" department) would make out, they ought to have shown more. They say next year is crucial, but this is beginning to sound like the David Coulthard "It's my year" chuckle we had round these parts.

6. Sauber

I'll give sixth to Sauber for their improvement in the second half relative to others. I'm not exactly sure if it was because the likes of Force India slipped back or if they really found a sweet spot. Either way, Hulkenberg got some mighty results out of the thing. Pity about the 2014 driver line-up.

7. McLaren

Oh, McLaren. This was not a good year, as they admit, but their manner of admitting it suggests they drift through without considering that their entire philosophy on team structure just doesn't work. They were basically a decent midfield team, but their peaks we have seen over the years show they can be much more.

8. Marussia

Glad they took on Bianchi. A very low budget and remember they came in expecting a budget cap, so they got screwed on that account by the big guns. All a bit "meh", but better than Caterham who talk a lot more. I like the non-pretentiousness and crack-on-with-it spirit of John Booth.

9. STR

They should be so much better given they're owned by Red Bull. It seems Red Bull don't care about their performance, but only want to evaluate drivers. Weirdly inconsistent. Strange team. Somehow they manage to get such evenly matched drivers every year that we debate whether they are both really good or really average all the time.

10. Williams

A huge comedown from last year, but there doesn't seem to be a panic, as they do look very organised. Just slow. Maldonado came across as a bit of a ******. Claire Williams comes across as a balanced person to run the team.

11. Caterham

They've slipped back relative to the others if anything.

Happy Christmas everyone. o/
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Old 25 Dec 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3347768)   #2
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Here's mine.
1. Lotus - During the U.S. Grand Prix, Grosjean's highest finish wsa 2nd in the race. His teammate, Räikkönen, also scored his last win ever at Australia.
2. Ferrari - With a good performance with both of the Ferrari drivers, Alonso scored more podiums than Massa.
3. Red Bull - Vettel and Webber...They're having a good performance with Webber getting 2 pole positions in Japan and Abu Dhabi.
4. Mercedes - With 3 wins, 2 times from Rosberg and only one time from Hamilton, Hamilton also performed very well in the season, by scoring podiums.
5. Sauber - With all the points being taken over by Hülkenberg, both of them also scored points in the Japanese GP.
6. McLaren - Both Button and Pérez performed very well in some various races, with no retirements ever.
7. Force India - PdR and Sutil performed good in some various GPs, but both PdR and Sutil couldn't reach the Top 10 in the Driver's Championship.
8. Toro Rosso - The team scored points in various races, with Ricciardo scoring more points than Vergne.
9. Williams - With only a points finish from Hungary and U.S., the team had a very poor performance. Last year the team had a mystic performance, letting Maldonado take his first victory during the 2012 Spanish GP.
10. Marussia - Bianchi was performing better than Chilton, but Chilton got no retirements ever, being the "Driver without Retirements", along with Button and Pérez.
11. Caterham - No idea yet.

And the 2014 one!
1. Red Bull - due to that Ricciardo has been confirmed for the team, he might dominate the Australian GP or not.
2. McLaren - due to that Magnussen has been confirmed for the team, he might win some various races.
3. Ferrari - Both of the confirmed drivers are the drivers who took the title in F1.
4. Mercedes - With a very well performance, Rosberg might win any GPs again.
5. Sauber - With Gutiérrez staying at the team, with a driver with the same nationality, would both of them score points in the Korean and Japanese GP?
6. Lotus - If Maldonado can win the same GP since 2012, he could have been a good-performed driver.
7. Williams - With 2008 runner-up Massa, and the U.S. GP points-scorer Bottas, could both of them score points?
8. Force India - With Pérez getting pulled out of McLaren, he might score a podium again next year.
9. Caterham - If Kamui Kobayashi gets confirmed for the team, it would have been awesome.
10. Toro Rosso - With only Vergne staying the team, with Russian rookie Kvyat, I'm not sure if they will qualify good during qualifying.
11. Marussia - Bianchi confirmed for the team...but Chilton?
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Old 25 Dec 2013, 11:44 (Ref:3347770)   #3
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Question

And also, can you make a thread named "Your Top 19 Grand Prix's of 2013"?
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How much do you hate Red Bull. They won the constructors title, and that means a lot...
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How much do you hate Red Bull. They won the constructors title, and that means a lot...
If me...

I don't hate the Red Bull team. But I don't hate Vettel or Webber.
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1 - Red Bull Racing
No-one was close, apart from Romain Grosjean. Horner managed to get Pirelli to change the tyres to suit them.

2 - Lotus
Overachieved massively, and now they're paying the price, with a champion leaving, being replaced by a liability.

3 - Mercedes
Qualifying masters, just a shame they couldn't get their tyres to last well. Rosberg's win at Monaco was masterful, and he would've got Hamilton if the team worked at Germany and had he have finished the Aussie GP...

4 - Ferrari
Decent job, but lost their way in the 2nd half a bit, and Alonso wasn't his usual self at that point, making them look too average for Ferrari.

5 - Force India
This may seem incredible, but had they had a driver pairing who could qualify properly, and had the Spa weather not turned, and had the tyres not changed mid-season, then this is where they would've been in the standings. di Resta lost his touch at most weekends, whilst Sutil will always be average.

6 - McLaren
They were midfield. That's not good enough. Lack of wet races meant there were no JB heroics either, which hampered them.

7 - Sauber
The Hulk obviously overachieved, whilst Gutierrez was made to look slow by the man 2nd to Vettel. That, coupled with huge lack of pace in the 1st half, and Gutierrez making rookie errors, ruined their season.

8 - Marussia
Did a solid job for a bankrupt team with no investment and little experience, although signing Max Chilton didn't help their pace, even if he did bring stacks of cash.

9 - Toro Rosso
Both drivers were great, but only for 2 races per season, and on most days both car and driver were average. That, coupled with JEV's mishaps, ruined the season.

10 - Williams
From a GP winning squad in 2012 to absolutely awful in 2013, the team fell apart and hopefully can return next year with a solid line-up.

11 - Caterham
They said pre-season that 2014 was their focus, and it showed, although VDG was stunning in damp qualifying sessions at Monaco and Spa.
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Räikkönen also scored his last win ever at Australia.
Do you not think he can win at Ferrari?
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1. Red Bull
Best car, best driver, best tactics, best results, win after win after win. Just as impossible not to rate #1 as Vettel. Will be favourites in 2014, still. As dominant as the early 2000s Ferrari superteam.

2. Lotus
In competitive terms probably Red Bull's closest rival, but financially screwed. Another great, sleek and beautiful car, another win, podiums racked up all season and the emergence of Grosjean, tactically astute too. If thy had the money to employ a great driver they'd be looking brilliant. Instead, Pastor. Yey.

3. Mercedes
Hugely improved, able to keep the pace up through races and staying competitive all season, with two good drivers battling at the front. Look like a team going places but leadership question was an odd subplot.

4. Sauber
Started really slowly but grew back into another team massively overachieving based on their resources, with a very neat car, good development over the season and great drives from Hulkenberg, arguably an equal to Ferrari by the end. I'd probably have rated them #1 or 2 last season though. Such a shame they've taken such a step back on drivers though for 2014.

5. Force India
Pretty much on a par with Sauber, started the season much stronger and were screwed over by the change to the tyres mid season really, falling off the pace. They scored some good points throughout, juggled two competitive drivers and made the most of point scoring opportunities, rate them below Sauber because probably overall less heroics.

6. Ferrari
almost as disappointing as McLaren. The only reason they scored so heavily was Alonso and even he was nowhere near as strong at times, after dragging an inferior car nearly to the title in 2012 it seemed he just couldn't repeat those heroics. The car was quick enough at the start of the season but was shown up as other teams developed initially troublesome cars into much more competitive ones and they never came close to a win in the second half. Massa occasionally impressive over a single lap, Alonso occasionally dragging it way above its station in races but overall a massive disappointment given their resources.

7. McLaren
Crap. You can always rely on McLaren to produce a dog of a car just when you least expect it. Losing Hamilton didn't help but the car just never progressed beyond a solid lower end points scorer and the drivers weren't able to come up with any special Bottas or Ricciardo type laps, any stunning performances, anything really, just a really middling and drab season of scraping points finishes from a team who should have done massively better. Lack of inspiration everywhere, from the drivers up.

8. Toro Rosso
Some great qualifying performances and generally higher peaks than 2012, with some great moments like Vergne's often overlooked performance in Canada where he was virtually a frontrunner all weekend. Ricciardo often qualified really well and although the points total doesn't reflect much progress from 2012, the team did what they set out to do in that they gave the drivers the chance to shine on their day. Always a Q3 threat, arguably more so than Force India even.

9. Williams
Terrible season from a team with a McLaren-esque ability to stun everyone with a dog of a car just when things look on the up. The pace just wasn't there at all most of the season and when things did improve late on scored a few points in Austin. That's all you can say really, generally crap.

10. Marussia
Got tenth. Got nowhere near a point and trailed Williams massively even when they were at their least competitive. Bianchi impressed, as much as he could in a car so far off the pace. That's all there is to say really. Well done on getting tenth, now work on being a competitive F1 team, please. It's been four years.

11. Caterham
Like Marussia, only green.
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