10 place penalty for Hamilton and Rosberg

[alonso11]

they served it, although Hamilton's mistake was bigger.

[Hazard]

already in the race thread

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...107133&page=24

[alonso11]

alrite sorry, with the penalty though it became more of a Magny-Curs or general issue me reckoned

[duke_toaster]

This lunacy from Ferrari's International Assistance has been posted in the race thread

[Adam43]

I suppose the key to this is that it was in the pit lane and there is the safety aspect.

I don't think it needs one, but hey ho.

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I suppose the key to this is that it was in the pit lane and there is the safety aspect.

I don't think it needs one, but hey ho.

the key to this is that lights in the pitlane are just like flags on the race track, you ignore them, you get the penalty.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by alonso11

the key to this is that lights in the pitlane are just like flags on the race track, you ignore them, you get the penalty.

Yes, they are important and it was all wrapped up in what I meant.

[Hazard]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

This lunacy from Ferrari's International Assistance has been posted in the race thread

And other differently biased opinions

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by Hazard

And other differently biased opinions

No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by ensign14

No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?

once again, its not for hitting someone, its for ignoring lights.

[ralf fan]

Originally Posted by alonso11

once again, its not for hitting someone, its for ignoring lights.

I don't know. Normally ignoring lights leads to a black flag. I am surprised Nico wasn't black flagged in the race if it was for lights. In Lewis' case he was out of the race so he served the ultimate penalty. It is the inconsistency that is annoying. Nico should have been black flagged if indeed this penalty is imposed for ignoring the lights. He wasn't so i am assuming this is for hitting someone

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by ralf fan

I don't know. Normally ignoring lights leads to a black flag. I am surprised Nico wasn't black flagged in the race if it was for lights. In Lewis' case he was out of the race so he served the ultimate penalty. It is the inconsistency that is annoying. Nico should have been black flagged if indeed this penalty is imposed for ignoring the lights. He wasn't so i am assuming this is for hitting someone

it does make sense, however, if its for hitting someone Im not sure why Nico got it then... he slightly hit the rear tire of someone causing zero damage to others and a relatively minor one to his ownself.

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by alonso11

once again, its not for hitting someone, its for ignoring lights.

your biased opinions do not help. he simply did not see the light, its difficult to see out of these cars, and i doubt hamiltons main focus was the pit light. his mistake yes, but ignored the light no.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Kieran20

your biased opinions do not help. he simply did not see the light, its difficult to see out of these cars, and i doubt hamiltons main focus was the pit light. his mistake yes, but ignored the light no.

They can pick an apex at 200mph but can't see a red light

[JimW]

Originally Posted by Kieran20

your biased opinions do not help. he simply did not see the light, its difficult to see out of these cars, and i doubt hamiltons main focus was the pit light. his mistake yes, but ignored the light no.

Ah, I didn't realise you had access to the eyeball focus and cognitive attention data. That explains everything.

Jim

[Hazard]

Originally Posted by ensign14

No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?

The comparison between this incident and the Monaco one baffles me.

One's a driver losing control of his vehicle in treacherous conditions - the other is a driver paying no attention to the flags/lights/position of vehicles in front of him in a car he has total control of!

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by Hazard

The comparison between this incident and the Monaco one baffles me.

One's a driver losing control of his vehicle in treacherous conditions - the other is a driver paying no attention to the flags/lights/position of vehicles in front of him in a car he has total control of!

Yeah, so they're both driving mistakes that ended someone else's race. And it could be argued that Hamilton was at least confronted with an unusual situation (cars parked side-by-side in pit lane) whereas Kimi's came in the exact condition that they're paid to do.

Fact is, when Vettel crashed behind a safety car, he got no penalty. When Alonso braketested Coulthard, he got no penalty. When Schumacher pushed off Hill/Villeneuve/Hakkinen/Alonso, he got no penalty. And so on and so forth.

Alonso is 100 yards ahead of a Ferrari in practice - penalty. Hamilton hits a Ferrari - penalty.

The only question is whether it's pro-Ferrari or anti-McLaren.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by ensign14

When Schumacher pushed off Hill/Villeneuve/Hakkinen/Alonso, he got no penalty.

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by ensign14

... When Alonso braketested Coulthard, he got no penalty. .

just for the record, the stewarts investigated that incident, accessed Renault's telemetry and found nothing. Nando braked at precisely the same braking point during the laps before the incident.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...es_art_id=6625

read it from the 4th paragraph onward in case you've spent year 2003 under a rock

[Adam43]

What is worse is that there is no link. A 10 place penalty for you alonso11 if ever you play the parc ferme F1 game.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68140

[Knowlesy]

Everything must be penalised. Mistakes must be eradicated.

What happened to the days of looking at such incidents in an adult manner?

You can do anything: fines, points on licenses, loud shouting. No, let's have a random grid penalty again.

[Born Racer]

I think penalties are deserved.

[Bononi]

I guess this one explains... http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...08224310.shtml

[Adam43]

Yes, they are different. Although both should be described as numpties for it!

[Hazard]

How about a poll?

Article looks the same as on Autosport - doesn't fully state what the penalty is for (the collision, or ignoring the red - or a bit of both).