10 place penalty for Hamilton and Rosberg - Page 12

RaiseYourFist · 20 Jun 2008, 15:59 (Ref:2233561)

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Originally Posted by mac

Are we still arguing about this?

It was Lewis' fault. Kimi and Robert each did exactly the right thing. Lewis didn't and slammed into the back of Kimi. Nico put his hand up and copped it on the chin - the precious Lewis couldn't do the same.

There can be no comparison to an accident on the racetrack at 300km/h on a damp racetrack and driving blindly into the back of a car stopped at a red light in pitlane.

If there were no cars in front and Lewis sailed through the red light back out onto the track, he would have been disqualified (and still talking about his "likely win"). It is seen as a serious indiscretion.

In my opinion, the penalty is completely justified.

Now, can we move on to France... I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Lewis carve through the field.

Did you even see the accident? Hamilton did not drive "blindly into the back of a car stopped at a red light in pitlane." he misjudged it, tried to move out of the way but ran out of room and hit the back of Raikkonen. It was Hamilton's mistake but it was not reckless.

davebreen · 20 Jun 2008, 16:24 (Ref:2233571)

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Originally Posted by RaiseYourFist

Did you even see the accident? Hamilton did not drive "blindly into the back of a car stopped at a red light in pitlane." he misjudged it, tried to move out of the way but ran out of room and hit the back of Raikkonen. It was Hamilton's mistake but it was not reckless.

Ignoring your own team's instructions and the warning lights while driving in the pit lane is reckless. Cant think of any better word to describe it actually.

strider · 20 Jun 2008, 17:49 (Ref:2233637)

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Originally Posted by koper

I think I prefer Rosberg's attitude.

Having just read this, I completely agree. In fact Nico has gone up several notches in my estimation, because I felt he probably had less room in which to stop than Hamilton.

willb · 21 Jun 2008, 04:14 (Ref:2233846)

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Originally Posted by koper

Yeap, it also drew my attention.

I think I prefer Rosberg's attitude.

having read lewis comment at the end of http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...20165135.shtml
i would also agree.

**Adam43** · 21 Jun 2008, 06:03 (Ref:2233859)

Nico is cool. Well done to him for owning up to for monentarily being a numpty.

Taprobane · 21 Jun 2008, 09:11 (Ref:2233929)

Lewis is annoying me more and more with this, the accident I could allow as brain fade but trying to avoid any blame is pathetic.

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Jun 2008, 09:42 (Ref:2233952)

Can't see why anyone needs to get annoyed unless as a fan you think he should be better. Even then, isn't it time to move on?

For my part I do think that as a racer Lewis is the best out there, but as a complete driver I put him close to the JPM category. Unlikely to be WDC whilst his @rse points downwards. He has time to change and he needs to. But disappointing? Nope he made a daft move if he doesn't want to admit it, why should you or I care? Its racing not "after you Claude".

Knowlesy · 21 Jun 2008, 11:50 (Ref:2234034)

It's amazing how not very much in the way of mistakes has seen Hamilton gone from "guaranteed" champion to "unlikely" champion.

And it all started from China. The team could take part of the blame that day. Brazil was scrappy, but easily recoverable until the car failure. Bahrain was definitely pants. And one silly accident at Canada.

I see nothing to worrry about, provided he doesn't repeat mistakes.

mac · 21 Jun 2008, 11:56 (Ref:2234037)

I agree. Drivers are human - they make the odd mistake.

Particularly in their first two seasons of F1...

Red · 21 Jun 2008, 13:11 (Ref:2234049)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

I see nothing to worrry about, provided he doesn't repeat mistakes.

You forgot Monaco this year. I suspect that this was the first ever F1 race when a driver won a GP as a direct consequence of a mistake and an a crash in first handful of laps.

Knowlesy · 21 Jun 2008, 13:19 (Ref:2234058)

Ah, I had forgotten.

I change my opinion then: he will never ever be world champion.

**Bononi** · 21 Jun 2008, 13:45 (Ref:2234079)

Careful.

RaiseYourFist · 21 Jun 2008, 20:53 (Ref:2234325)

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Originally Posted by Red

You forgot Monaco this year. I suspect that this was the first ever F1 race when a driver won a GP as a direct consequence of a mistake and an a crash in first handful of laps.

Pretty much everyone made mistakes in Monaco, everyone either had an off or was way off the pace of the leaders.

Gt_R · 22 Jun 2008, 09:48 (Ref:2234545)

Heheh. When Lewis won in Monaco, it was largely helped by the safety car periods..but nobody said much. When Lewis lost a small chunk in Canada due to safety car, people suddenly start pouncing on the existence of safety cars and the need to "honor" the lead.

Its a mistake in Canada, stupid but true. He is punished for it, and while i'm irritated because Kimi's lost points cannot be recovered even if we put Lewis to the last row in France, i think it's time for us to temporarily let it go and move on (let's bring it back again if Kimi loses the title to Lewis by a handful of points).

It all happened 2 weeks ago!

Drivers make mistakes and Lewis made one, that's cool. No problem. But Lewis's repeatedly brushing it off or attributing the fault to everyone but himself is bordering silliness, and i do hope he learns from it.

Rosberg's mistake was more understandable and excusable than Lewis's, and even Nico took it like a mature man to stand up to the mistake. Ron hopefully would remind and ensure Lewis doesn't make the same reckless mistake again. Much potential in the bloke, just to to manage his mindset abit.

ensign14 · 22 Jun 2008, 10:15 (Ref:2234554)

To be fair re Monaco, Hamilton's race time was shorter than anyone else's even with the safety car removed, but of course catching up is one thing, passing is another...

Red · 22 Jun 2008, 11:55 (Ref:2234624)

He wasn't helped by safety car. He was helped by crashing early, getting to pit for a new nose and his new fuel load helped him to be among the firsts who took dry tires.

ensign14 · 22 Jun 2008, 12:40 (Ref:2234658)

Adopt, adapt, improve.

Red · 22 Jun 2008, 14:07 (Ref:2234749)

1) crash
2) do a rain dance
3) ...
4) profit?

He didn't adapt anything (except a new nosecone). It just happened.

ralf fan · 22 Jun 2008, 14:17 (Ref:2234754)

Oh damn. Lewis got lucky and won. This has of course never happened to any other driver. EVER!!!

Red · 22 Jun 2008, 14:28 (Ref:2234764)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

Oh damn. Lewis got lucky and won. This has of course never happened to any other driver. EVER!!!

To refresh your memory about the discussion. Noone said that being lucky is a bad thing. We were talking about the mistakes that Lowis did in his career, Knowlessy omitted Monaco (because he won it actually, easily to overlook the blunder) but it was a mistake nonetheless.

Knowlesy · 22 Jun 2008, 14:37 (Ref:2234771)

Well, no, not the mistakes in his career. He made some before the start of my list too.

Just the ones that stick in the mind more as crucial, horrid errors.

FPV GTHO · 23 Jun 2008, 06:08 (Ref:2235395)

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Originally Posted by RaiseYourFist

Pretty much everyone made mistakes in Monaco, everyone either had an off or was way off the pace of the leaders.

What an insightful thing to say. Being slower than the leaders, despite machinery, must clearly be as a result of making mistakes.

Monaco being a car leveller is a myth these days. Even when it rains, it doesnt happen.

RaiseYourFist · 23 Jun 2008, 06:30 (Ref:2235400)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

What an insightful thing to say. Being slower than the leaders, despite machinery, must clearly be as a result of making mistakes.

? I did not say anything like that

Gt_R · 23 Jun 2008, 11:47 (Ref:2235571)

Quote:"Oh damn. Lewis got lucky and won. This has of course never happened to any other driver. EVER!!!"

Oh funny thing is, it started with Lewis, Mclaren and fans *****ing about how the safety car unfairly ruined Lewis a god-given win, and the need to re-look into regulations to ensure Lewis won't get disadvantaged. ever.

..like of course, this has never happened to any other driver. EVER!

Lewis has his share of good luck, and his share of bad luck. Live with it and move on.

thejester · 24 Jun 2008, 02:06 (Ref:2236269)

Wow. I've actually read all 20 pages of posts on this and am essentially none the wiser than when I started.

My fault entirely....

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