Acura/HPD's future plans

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Nick Wirth at the Autosport Show.

http://youtu.be/sulFh8QtYI4

Elsewhere:

Force India has lost one of its senior aerodynamic staff Christopher Harley to Wirth Research
source (January 10, 2014)

[Jack Spratt]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

HPD is also working on an all new P2 Engine.

Details? They just updated and re-homologated the current one, what is it based on because they have no other suitable platform than the V6.

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by Jack Spratt

Details? They just updated and re-homologated the current one, what is it based on because they have no other suitable platform than the V6.

The NSXv2 engine.

A Direct and Port injected DOHC wide angle V6tt.

Design from day one to be a race engine(to beat the Nissan 4.5L V8).

3.2L for P2 or 3.5L for DP(2015 NSX body DP?)

[Christian Mogami]

Whats up?

With a few HPD ARX-03b on the market at the moment,

Woodard isn't buying a used one!(why buy a new one at full cost when its going to be replaced in 2015 by the Coupe?)Something smells!

or

Are they getting the new ARX-04?(ACO waiver on the new engine?)

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

The NSXv2 engine.

A Direct and Port injected DOHC wide angle V6tt.

Design from day one to be a race engine(to beat the Nissan 4.5L V8).

3.2L for P2 or 3.5L for DP(2015 NSX body DP?)

Just a thought, but why DP? Why not ask to run the NSX GT500 instead? Remember that DTM tie-up Grand Am talked about?

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by TF110

Just a thought, but why DP? Why not ask to run the NSX GT500 instead? Remember that DTM tie-up Grand Am talked about?

The NSX GT500 is an compromise solution for Honda's home market!
It is a mid-engine(MR) built off a FR platform that is over weight at the moment and will most likely need performance gains(restrictor/boost) to equal Nissan and Lexus.

[Pandamasque]

A full-on Nissan vs. Honda fight in P2 would be really cool.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

The NSX GT500 is an compromise solution for Honda's home market!
It is a mid-engine(MR) built off a FR platform that is over weight at the moment and will most likely need performance gains(restrictor/boost) to equal Nissan and Lexus.

Its overweight because its been given a weight penalty for being mid engined. If you recall, the DP's and lmp2's are mid engined. And the rumor about them all running to the same ruleset in a few years time.

[Bobby_GT6262]

Originally Posted by TF110

Its overweight because its been given a weight penalty for being mid engined. If you recall, the DP's and lmp2's are mid engined. And the rumor about them all running to the same ruleset in a few years time.

I heard about those rumor too. But I highly doubt any of the DP's aspects will make it past 2016. First off DP's are hideous haha Also their heavy and have drag compared to P2's.

[MagVanisher]

Y'know, running a NSX GT500 car in both Super GT and TUSCC (with modifications) is a good and plausible solution.

Of course, I wonder if ISMA allows their 2014-spec GT500 chassis to compete there?

[TF110]

In a couple years time, DTM & GT500 are going to be basically the same. DP wouldnt need to continue with their ruleset making them as fast as lmp2 since these cars are already there.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by TF110

In a couple years time, DTM & GT500 are going to be basically the same. DP wouldnt need to continue with their ruleset making them as fast as lmp2 since these cars are already there.

Maybe in the future, Honda will only race their NSX prototype race car, where the only differences is the aero kit for endurance (TUSCC, WEC) and sprint (Super GT, DTM).

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Whats up?

With a few HPD ARX-03b on the market at the moment,

Woodard isn't buying a used one!(why buy a new one at full cost when its going to be replaced in 2015 by the Coupe?)Something smells!

or

Are they getting the new ARX-04?(ACO waiver on the new engine?)

Answer

Because the 2014 ARX-03b will have Drive By Wire and other upgrades that the older ARX-03b don't have and it looks like HPD(Honda EU and HondaASEAN)is giving support so that will help with the cost of the new car.

[The Badger]

So , whose lookin at running it then ?

I would like to see DAMS get their mits on it .

[Starfish Primer]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Answer

Because the 2014 ARX-03b will have Drive By Wire and other upgrades that the older ARX-03b don't have and it looks like HPD(Honda EU and HondaASEAN)is giving support so that will help with the cost of the new car.

And will the ARX-03c receive any update to be run grandfathered until the 04 Coupe will be released (2015 i've heard)?

Thanks

[Bobby_GT6262]

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Maybe in the future, Honda will only race their NSX prototype race car, where the only differences is the aero kit for endurance (TUSCC, WEC) and sprint (Super GT, DTM).

SUPER GT is manly endurance with driver changes unlike DTM which is 100% sprint. Most of the races are 1000km. Im dying to see how the NSX GT500 would fare in a 24hr race

[Aurora]

Originally Posted by Bobby_GT6262

SUPER GT is manly endurance with driver changes unlike DTM which is 100% sprint. Most of the races are 1000km. Im dying to see how the NSX GT500 would fare in a 24hr race

I think you'll find that there is only one 1000km race (Suzuka) the others are less than 500km, but there are driver changes. I'd like to see Super GT cars at LM too before they change to 2.0L turbo engines, not that it's going to happen though.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by Aurora

I think you'll find that there is only one 1000km race (Suzuka) the others are less than 500km, but there are driver changes. I'd like to see Super GT cars at LM too before they change to 2.0L turbo engines, not that it's going to happen though.

The engine won't be a issue though as Honda can replace it, then tune it to 500 HP or more.

The problem is though is the chassis itself of the NSX GT500 car.

[Jack Spratt]

The NSXv2 engine.

A Direct and Port injected DOHC wide angle V6tt.

Design from day one to be a race engine(to beat the Nissan 4.5L V8).

3.2L for P2 or 3.5L for DP(2015 NSX body DP?)

The NSX engine uses the same base as the current P2 engine as does the GT500.

Whats up?

With a few HPD ARX-03b on the market at the moment,

Woodard isn't buying a used one!(why buy a new one at full cost when its going to be replaced in 2015 by the Coupe?)Something smells!

or

Are they getting the new ARX-04?(ACO waiver on the new engine?)

Woodard are definitely getting a new 03b which is the same as the old 03b.

Answer

Because the 2014 ARX-03b will have Drive By Wire and other upgrades that the older ARX-03b don't have and it looks like HPD(Honda EU and HondaASEAN)is giving support so that will help with the cost of the new car.

Any newly homologated updates to the engine are applied to all of the 03b chassis which, in 2014, is the same as it was in 2013. There is no difference between the two.

The ARX was born out of the US at the behest of HPD and them alone, no other Honda division has any input nor impact on it.

[Christian Mogami]

Originally Posted by Jack Spratt

The NSX engine uses the same base as the current P2 engine as does the GT500.

WRONG!




Woodard are definitely getting a new 03b which is the same as the old 03b.

WRONG!




Any newly homologated updates to the engine are applied to all of the 03b chassis which, in 2014, is the same as it was in 2013. There is no difference between the two.

The two ARX-03b that ESM run in TUSC doesn't have Drive By Wire(maybe later).

The ARX was born out of the US at the behest of HPD and them alone, no other Honda division has any input nor impact on it.

HPD is only a branch of AHM.The ARX was born out of AHM to promote their Acura brand with HPD running the program and using an Indy V8 that they designed and wasn't going to use because it became a single engine spec series.

HondaEU is backing Woodard.

[Christian Mogami]

The ARX-03b that ESM and Level 5 have the old aero package2013(2014 TUSC legal),while the Woodard ARX-03b will have new 2014 aero package(2014 ACO/FIA legal in standard and Le Mans sets).

So they will have the same tub but almost everything else will be different.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Jack Spratt

The NSX engine uses the same base as the current P2 engine as does the GT500.

The current LMP2 engine is woefully based on a production series 60 degree V6 found in the odyssey and accord.

The 2012 HSV-010 used a 3.4 litre V8 sourced from the 2008 LMP2 car

The 2014 NSX GT500 uses newly developed 2.0 Litre Inline-4

The 2014 Production NSX will use twinturbo V6 with a 90 degree v angle

How you came to your conclusion is beyond me.

[Jack Spratt]

The two ARX-03b that ESM run in TUSC doesn't have Drive By Wire(maybe later).

It is quite difficult to quote you when you mix up your replies inside a previous posters quote so I'll just snip this part out.

ESM have been running DBW's since the end of last season, L5 have not because their cars have no engines.

The ARX-03b that ESM and Level 5 have the old aero package2013(2014 TUSC legal),while the Woodard ARX-03b will have new 2014 aero package(2014 ACO/FIA legal in standard and Le Mans sets).

So they will have the same tub but almost everything else will be different.

I'm intrigued as to what these 2014 updates consist of, can you point me to something that explains them?

[Maelochs]

I thought ESM was doing first tests with drive-by-wire at the TUSCC Sebring test, which is why they didn't perform well there?

[Jack Spratt]

Originally Posted by Articus

The current LMP2 engine is woefully based on a production series 60 degree V6 found in the odyssey and accord.

This I know.

The 2012 HSV-010 used a 3.4 litre V8 sourced from the 2008 LMP2 car

The HSV engine came from Formula Nippon. The Honda Indy engine lent its block architecture to both the FN engine and the sportscar engine, they were slightly different designs though. The engine in the P2 car had been around since 2006 and continued through 2013. In 2009 HPD used a similarly derived engine, (4 liter), in the P1 car, the 02a.

The 2014 NSX GT500 uses newly developed 2.0 Litre Inline-4

I mistakenly said GT500, it was the GT300 engine that came from the P2 car. I have no idea what is being used GT500 in 2014.

The 2014 Production NSX will use twinturbo V6 with a 90 degree v angle

Maybe. The concept NSX that ran at Mid Ohio last year used the standard production base V6 that is found in the P2 car, not that that means anything long term, you use what you have...

How you came to your conclusion is beyond me.

Maybe the explanation is somewhere above.