Acura/HPD's future plans - Page 119

Christian Mogami · 14 Jan 2014, 00:45 (Ref:3353668)

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Originally Posted by Jack Spratt

This I know.

The HSV engine came from Formula Nippon. The Honda Indy engine lent its block architecture to both the FN engine and the sportscar engine, they were slightly different designs though. The engine in the P2 car had been around since 2006 and continued through 2013. In 2009 HPD used a similarly derived engine, (4 liter), in the P1 car, the 02a.

I mistakenly said GT500, it was the GT300 engine that came from the P2 car. I have no idea what is being used GT500 in 2014.

Maybe. The concept NSX that ran at Mid Ohio last year used the standard production base V6 that is found in the P2 car, not that that means anything long term, you use what you have...

Maybe the explanation is somewhere above.

If you don't know...you don't know.

The NSX mule(only used to test different suspensions) at Mid Ohio only had a NA open exhaust J35 V6 engine(Accord engine) not the the production engine or prototype engine for the NSXv2.

Jack Spratt · 14 Jan 2014, 02:39 (Ref:3353689)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

The NSX mule(only used to test different suspensions) at Mid Ohio only had a NA open exhaust J35 V6 engine(Accord engine) not the the production engine or prototype engine for the NSXv2.

I'm pretty sure that's what I said.

Jack Spratt · 14 Jan 2014, 16:06 (Ref:3353893)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I thought ESM was doing first tests with drive-by-wire at the TUSCC Sebring test, which is why they didn't perform well there?

The DBW is why they spent an extra day at Sebring, the performance issue was the first sign of the imbalance between the DP's and the P2's and the subsequent, still ongoing, scramble to get it right.

Maelochs · 14 Jan 2014, 16:40 (Ref:3353900)

Pretty sure i read that they were slow at Sebring due to DbW, and their pace had picked up considerably by the Daytona test.

Whatever the exact timescale ... EMS is now using DbW, we can be sure of that. I don't want to derail the thread, which is hopefully about when we can see the next Wirth design actually on track, and also maybe an NSX for GT3 or GTLM/GTE.

Christian Mogami · 14 Jan 2014, 16:58 (Ref:3353906)

Real Time Racing is moving up to the GT Class with the new 2015 Acura TLX(HPD V6tt).

ThatGuy · 14 Jan 2014, 16:58 (Ref:3353907)

HPD is building a PWC GT class Acura.

http://www.racer.com/acura-tlx-gt-fo...rticle/329232/

The article says it will use a direct-injection, twin turbo V6 based on the production engine (3.5L). Anyone think this has anything to do with the rumored HPD DP engine?

Jack Spratt · 14 Jan 2014, 19:55 (Ref:3354003)

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

HPD is building a PWC GT class Acura.

http://www.racer.com/acura-tlx-gt-fo...rticle/329232/

The article says it will use a direct-injection, twin turbo V6 based on the production engine (3.5L). Anyone think this has anything to do with the rumored HPD DP engine?

Anything to do with it? They are built from the same platform with the same components so I would say yes. The P2 engine starts life as the same 3.5.

Bobby_GT6262 · 15 Jan 2014, 05:52 (Ref:3354131)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

The engine won't be a issue though as Honda can replace it, then tune it to 500 HP or more.

The problem is though is the chassis itself of the NSX GT500 car.

Masaaki Bandoh was ready to send the Weider Modulo Dome HSV-10 to Le Mans as garage 57 back in 2012 and 2013. But the ACO denied it. Based on Mr Bandoh attempts im sure the GT500 cars can hang in a 24hr race.

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/act...durance-20032/

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/mas...arage-au-mans/

Bobby_GT6262 · 15 Jan 2014, 06:00 (Ref:3354132)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

The NSXv2 engine.

A Direct and Port injected DOHC wide angle V6tt.

Design from day one to be a race engine(to beat the Nissan 4.5L V8).

3.2L for P2 or 3.5L for DP(2015 NSX body DP?)

The thought of a NSX DP makes me sick to my stomach.

MagVanisher · 15 Jan 2014, 10:54 (Ref:3354205)

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Originally Posted by Bobby_GT6262

The thought of a NSX DP makes me sick to my stomach.

That's true! I think a GT500 NSX converted into IMSA-spec is a viable option over a Riley slapped with NSX bodywork.

Jack Spratt · 15 Jan 2014, 16:49 (Ref:3354322)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Pretty sure i read that they were slow at Sebring due to DbW, and their pace had picked up considerably by the Daytona test.

Whatever the exact timescale ... EMS is now using DbW, we can be sure of that. I don't want to derail the thread, which is hopefully about when we can see the next Wirth design actually on track, and also maybe an NSX for GT3 or GTLM/GTE.

When the new P2 coupe is testing for the 2015 season...

Christian Mogami · 15 Jan 2014, 16:52 (Ref:3354323)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

That's true! I think a GT500 NSX converted into IMSA-spec is a viable option over a Riley slapped with NSX bodywork.

HPD is in talks now with ACO/FIA and TUSC to allow their 2015 NSX GT3 or GTE with AWD and Hybrid next year.They don't want to race it Non-Hybrid/RWD.

They might have to wait until ACO/FIA gives the new GT Rules in 2016/17.

Bobby_GT6262 · 15 Jan 2014, 18:12 (Ref:3354356)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

HPD is in talks now with ACO/FIA and TUSC to allow their 2015 NSX GT3 or GTE with AWD and Hybrid next year.They don't want to race it Non-Hybrid/RWD.

They might have to wait until ACO/FIA gives the new GT Rules in 2016/17.

Yeah your right the current rules don't allow Hybrid nor AWD. Because when i heard Acura unveil the TLX GT. I was like "wheres the NSX?" I quess we all have to wait till 2016 for the rules to change :/

Jack Spratt · 15 Jan 2014, 19:50 (Ref:3354394)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

HPD is building a PWC GT class Acura.

http://www.racer.com/acura-tlx-gt-fo...rticle/329232/

The article says it will use a direct-injection, twin turbo V6 based on the production engine (3.5L). Anyone think this has anything to do with the rumored HPD DP engine?

From Roger Griffiths:

“The car will be very interesting – the engine's based on the LMP2 engine, ..."

http://www.racer.com/acura-pwc-gt-en...rticle/329435/

DistortedSmile · 15 Jan 2014, 22:07 (Ref:3354444)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

That's true! I think a GT500 NSX converted into IMSA-spec is a viable option over a Riley slapped with NSX bodywork.

Uh, why is it viable? A GT500 car is in all likelihood a lot more expensive than a DP or a P2. Not that anyone anywhere has expressed any sort of interest in doing something like this though.

TF110 · 15 Jan 2014, 22:10 (Ref:3354447)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

Uh, why is it viable? A GT500 car is in all likelihood a lot more expensive than a DP or a P2. Not that anyone anywhere has expressed any sort of interest in doing something like this though.

They probably aren't that much more than a DTM car. With more manufacturers making the same tub/chassis, it should come down in price.

Jack Spratt · 15 Jan 2014, 23:15 (Ref:3354475)

HPD DP engine.

http://www.racer.com/honda-dp-engine...rticle/329548/

"Provided no delays are encountered, the DP version of the Acura MDX/RDX-derived P2 engine would account for its fifth motorsports application."

Bobby_GT6262 · 16 Jan 2014, 02:45 (Ref:3354531)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

Uh, why is it viable? A GT500 car is in all likelihood a lot more expensive than a DP or a P2. Not that anyone anywhere has expressed any sort of interest in doing something like this though.

From a Works stand point it would be viable due to the cars aesthetics. The race car would be a silhouette version of the road going Acura NSX that going to be sold in 2015. It would be great for marketing. The only series that i can think of that might allow it is TUSCC. Because its the only series that allows non ACO approved DPs to race against P2s.

MagVanisher · 16 Jan 2014, 05:19 (Ref:3354560)

@Boby_GT6262

Yeah, andI hope the 2014-spec GT500 tub is stronger. It's gonna be a lot cheaper in the long run instead of spending money on replacement parts for a DP chassis.

DistortedSmile · 16 Jan 2014, 08:56 (Ref:3354606)

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Originally Posted by Bobby_GT6262

From a Works stand point it would be viable due to the cars aesthetics. The race car would be a silhouette version of the road going Acura NSX that going to be sold in 2015. It would be great for marketing. The only series that i can think of that might allow it is TUSCC. Because its the only series that allows non ACO approved DPs to race against P2s.

There's no way in hell they're going to allow a GT class that slots in above GTE (regardless of the fact that they're actually silhouette prototypes). Honda can achieve the same marketing gains by building a GTE NSX. Occam's razor suggests you guys just wanna see GT500 cars at Daytona and Sebring (which would be pretty awesome if I'm honest).

Maelochs · 16 Jan 2014, 11:24 (Ref:3354652)

Well, the cheapest simplest route is what Honda chose: A Riley DP with the 3.5 turbo V6. Pretty much what I expected.

Possible major rules revisions coming in 2016 for 2017 season. P1 and likely P2 might use pretty much the current rules until 2020, but things like integrating DTM and GT500 (and maybe DP rules, and maybe merging them into TUSC, but I don't see it) as well as GT and GT+ rules (which will definitely be used in TUSC) will all wait until then.

Bobby_GT6262 · 16 Jan 2014, 18:24 (Ref:3354826)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

@Boby_GT6262

Yeah, andI hope the 2014-spec GT500 tub is stronger. It's gonna be a lot cheaper in the long run instead of spending money on replacement parts for a DP chassis.

I read about articles about the 2014 DTM style tube flexing under hard cornering. But i haven't seen any lately so i think they flexed that problem. To be honest I think DP's are a joke. After the all the mods (+100hp, diffuser, double wing, etc) to make them competitive it double the price of the car. That's why i'm rooting for ESM and their pair of ARX-03b's at Daytona!

Bobby_GT6262 · 16 Jan 2014, 18:36 (Ref:3354830)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

There's no way in hell they're going to allow a GT class that slots in above GTE (regardless of the fact that they're actually silhouette prototypes). Honda can achieve the same marketing gains by building a GTE NSX. Occam's razor suggests you guys just wanna see GT500 cars at Daytona and Sebring (which would be pretty awesome if I'm honest).

Bingo! I would pay big money to see a GT500 car at Daytona or Sebring. But the odds of that happening is like winning the lotto. So i will settle for a NSX-GTE.

Christian Mogami · 22 Jan 2014, 17:38 (Ref:3357130)

Honda DP update.

When IMSA gives the ok,both Starworks and RML will use the HPD HR35tt.

Also HPD(Wirth?)is working on a Honda Body(NSX or CLX?) for the DP!
Could see it later in the year!

Some people are not going to be happy.

Speed-King · 22 Jan 2014, 17:41 (Ref:3357132)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Honda DP update.

When IMSA gives the ok,both Starworks and RML will use the HPD HR35tt.

Also HPD(Wirth?)is working on a Honda Body(NSX or CLX?) for the DP!
Could see it later in the year!

Some people are not going to be happy.

RML as in "the British RML"?

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