Formula Master to become GP3 for 2009?!

bradrive · 9 Aug 2008, 13:58 (Ref:2266343)

There are rumours that the Formula Master Series that is currently running with the Tatuus-Honda singleseaters with the WTCC could be run during the European F1 Grand Prix weekends from 2009 onwards being renamed GP3.

johntt · 9 Aug 2008, 14:11 (Ref:2266346)

Would make sense to call it that, Formula Master seems a bit of an awkward name and having it on F1 weekends would make sense.

It would also allow Formula 2 to run as WTCC support.

ManAlive · 9 Aug 2008, 18:42 (Ref:2266438)

Afraid not, its looking like Formula Masters will be renamed F2 and GP2 will remain until the end of 2010 and then things are likely to change.

johntt · 9 Aug 2008, 19:08 (Ref:2266447)

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Originally Posted by ManAlive

Afraid not, its looking like Formula Masters will be renamed F2 and GP2 will remain until the end of 2010 and then things are likely to change.

Where did you hear that?

F2 (assuming it happens) is a seperate entity to Formula Master. Whats going to change post 2010?

JamesRamone · 10 Aug 2008, 12:04 (Ref:2266759)

What source has this come from ? I've not heard anything about this anywhere else.

Alex K · 10 Aug 2008, 17:44 (Ref:2266882)

What is going to happen to Supercup or Formula BMW Europe? There is no enough time during weekends for new series?!

johntt · 10 Aug 2008, 19:35 (Ref:2266946)

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Originally Posted by Alex K

What is going to happen to Supercup or Formula BMW Europe? There is no enough time during weekends for new series?!

If such a move happened then I suspect that FBMW Europe would go the other way. Its horrendously expensive for what it is, running with WTCC would reduce the costs a fair bit.

It would aslso make sense to have Formula Master on the F1 bill as it is one step below Gp2 on the ladder, compared to FBMW which is two steps.

Mekola · 10 Aug 2008, 22:51 (Ref:2267033)

And what's with World Series by Renault, then???

Go_For_Pole · 11 Aug 2008, 07:24 (Ref:2267125)

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Originally Posted by johntt

If such a move happened then I suspect that FBMW Europe would go the other way. Its horrendously expensive for what it is, running with WTCC would reduce the costs a fair bit.

Funny that it has a full grid then.

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Originally Posted by johntt

It would also make sense to have Formula Master on the F1 bill as it is one step below Gp2 on the ladder, compared to FBMW which is two steps.

What would really make sense would be to have a full ladder supporting the GP weekends. In fact, I suspect the prime motivation for GP3 is the sucess that FIA backed Euro F3 is having. I can imagine Bernie and co wanting a piece of that, it would weaken FIA's position even more. Of course, for GP3 to prevail it would be necessary for the main backers of drivers/teams of Euro F3 to change sides but considering those backers are Mercedes, Red Bull, Toyota RD, Renault DD, ART and Willy Weber how difficult is that?

**chunterer** · 11 Aug 2008, 12:26 (Ref:2267248)

F Master as GP3?

Series is ok but why not simply have Euro F3 or an equivalent on the bill. oh no sorry, it can't be corporately renamed to GP3 can it.....

Better still why not rename GP2 as F2!!

Low and behold everyone will quite clearly be able to see the logical career path to F1 again.

META4 · 11 Aug 2008, 13:04 (Ref:2267264)

The problem with the Formula Master , is this serie is still very "Green". They need more stability, they started the season with 28 Cars at Valencia and they were 24 at Brands Hatch. Andersen and Nunez left Trident recently, which will probably drop again the number of car for the next race. The First season of the Formula master has been very dramatic, with so many mechanical issues. If you look at the entry list from the first season compare to this season , there are a lot of rookies. Drivers and peoples who lived the first season prefered to go for more reliable cars like Formula 3 ( Ceccotto and Frey)

As well during the first half of the 2008 season,we have seen many drivers changing of teams, a nice party of musical chair, not the best for the credibility of the championship.

If you had to that, the overall level of the serie. From my opinion only few teams (JD,Cram,Jenzer,ISR,Trident) are really professionals and work on high standard of presentation, all the rest is pretty much average. It is a reality also about the drivers

I think if Formula Master wants to be on the bill of the F1 GP , they got to attract more competitives teams and drivers to get more credibility

Well to make it simple Formula Master is still far from the standards of professionalism and presentation fof the Formula 3 Euroseries

By the way, the organisation of the Formula master, denied the project of GP3...
http://www.stopandgo.tv/news/fmaster...getto-gp3.html

Go_For_Pole · 11 Aug 2008, 13:05 (Ref:2267265)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

F Master as GP3? Series is ok but why not simply have Euro F3 or an equivalent on the bill. oh no sorry, it can't be corporately renamed to GP3 can it..... Better still why not rename GP2 as F2!! Low and behold everyone will quite clearly be able to see the logical career path to F1 again.

It's not only a name issue, rather a control issue. GP2 is not FIA's, why not a F3 lookalike that it will not be FIA's? Let alone that with a complete ladder supporting the GP weekends everyone will be able to see a logical path to F1.

META4: F.3000 was a worse mess when it was re-branded to GP2 so everything is achievable

the sniper · 11 Aug 2008, 15:27 (Ref:2267329)

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Originally Posted by Alex K

What is going to happen to Supercup or Formula BMW Europe? There is no enough time during weekends for new series?!

Well the the Supercup has a deal with Allsport Management till 2011:

http://www.racecam.de/index.php?site...ang=en&id=2316

What happened to their idea of Formula Masters being the replacement for Formula 3? If it does not become F2 next year (if it happens), I can't see Masters lasting much longer...

META4 · 11 Aug 2008, 15:38 (Ref:2267340)

i cant see Formula Master replace Formula3, Formula3 is far much more interesting for teams on the engineering point of view

Definitly Formula Master is loosing of his "superb", even more after the lost of 2 decent drivers like Andersen and Nunez, even the Formula 1 prize does not seem to motivate any driver, unless Van Der Drift who is "easily" leading the championship

Go_For_Pole · 12 Aug 2008, 07:21 (Ref:2267650)

bradrive, where did you hear the GP3 rumour? Is it discussed on the GP2 paddock?

bradrive · 12 Aug 2008, 15:44 (Ref:2267879)

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Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

bradrive, where did you hear the GP3 rumour? Is it discussed on the GP2 paddock?

yes, and asking friends that work with the Master Formula, it is discussed there as well.
It is not yet sure, but the rumours are there. And they come from the top.

Go_For_Pole · 12 Aug 2008, 17:33 (Ref:2267941)

thx!

Go_For_Pole · 13 Aug 2008, 11:38 (Ref:2268387)

Googling the words "Formula Master GP3" got me this article from early 2007. Quite a nice read considering the currect situation
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=31280

Go_For_Pole · 13 Aug 2008, 13:31 (Ref:2268468)

http://www.italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=20220&cat=32

META4 · 13 Aug 2008, 13:44 (Ref:2268472)

For the ones who does not understand italian, Italiaracing reports that the Formula Master will race together with F1 Circus on 5 occasions (not yet clear when). Not yet clear as well if the name of the serie will remain "Formula Master" or will become "GP3". Honda could officialy suport the serie

They mention also some new "Possible Entries" like Raikkonen Robertson Team and ART...

Still no Sound from Formula 2 ...

Alex K · 13 Aug 2008, 15:17 (Ref:2268525)

MASSIMO READS OUR FORUM ;-) ;-P

META4 · 13 Aug 2008, 16:05 (Ref:2268550)

Who is massimo? if it is somebody from Italiaracing it would not surprise me

Mekola · 13 Aug 2008, 17:01 (Ref:2268572)

Massimo Costa, I suppose.

META4 · 13 Aug 2008, 17:10 (Ref:2268578)

Funny to see that Stopandgo.tv , announced the project of GP3/Formula Master at the end of last month , then 2 days later published a press release from N-Technology denying the same project.

Then today italiaracing brings back the same news, i suspect italiaracing to try to create a "buzz"

Aslak Vind · 13 Aug 2008, 17:15 (Ref:2268581)

I guess this is merely a question of (mis)coordinating information. It will be, however the leak was not intended..