Euroboss Vs Champcars - Page 2

Tony_Simpson · 23 Apr 2003, 19:40 (Ref:578492)

EuroBoss use the most downforce generating chassis (early 94), ok alot of drag with that, the engines are the powerful 3.5litres, 700-750bhp+, and the tyres are pretty good, they have to be otherwise people would be complaining about them, and no one is.

Jay · 23 Apr 2003, 19:45 (Ref:578499)

Why don't we just wait and see? Although from everything I've read here, I think the Champcars will be a few seconds faster. I've heard guesses for their lap times in everything from 31s-36s. My bet is somewhere in the middle of that. Compare that to whatever the Eurobosses were doing. And Although I have no idea who the drivers are in Euroboss, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Tracy, Junqeria, Bourdais, and even Yoong are better.

Russfeld · 23 Apr 2003, 19:52 (Ref:578510)

Euroboss uses an 'off the shelf' tire by all acounts. a CART tire, even with a single supplier is a properly developed racing tire. And im not sure the standard of the Euroboss driver is high enough to really make insight into how good the tires are.

racingdick · 23 Apr 2003, 19:55 (Ref:578513)

you gonna be coming over for the indy race russfeld. Check your pm's

ss_collins · 23 Apr 2003, 20:52 (Ref:578578)

well those of you who ar regular MN readers will have seen the impressive times the euro boss cars put up in testing, and that there are many who feel that they will be quicker.

Russfeld · 23 Apr 2003, 20:57 (Ref:578593)

so an F3000 car is now as fast as a CART car?

ss_collins · 23 Apr 2003, 21:01 (Ref:578602)

just wait and see and don't underestimate these euroboss cars.

Sato san · 23 Apr 2003, 21:54 (Ref:578682)

Some Euroboss teams have to use the same tyres from round to round . Euroboss is a great series , but its not laiden with real top drivers . Tony Worswick V Paul Tracy ???......i think i will go for Paul Trcay .....Champ cars will be massively quicker than them .

Andrew Kitson · 23 Apr 2003, 22:13 (Ref:578708)

I was at the press conference at the NEC in January when Chris Pook officially announced the Brands race.
He reckoned that with computer simulations they had done, they are expecting a 29sec pole lap!
More realistically, a 32 sec lap I would have thought. Rosberg did a 34 there with a full ground effect Williams 20 odd years ago in testing, but Graham Hill Bend was much faster then.

Russfeld · 23 Apr 2003, 22:24 (Ref:578727)

Think of the lap time differences with tires just year to year, then think of what it does with 20 years

Andrew Kitson · 23 Apr 2003, 22:33 (Ref:578735)

Also forgot to say..I went along to the Pook / Brands announcement with Roger Cowman who organises Euroboss.
Everybody looked around at each other,smiling with anticipation when Pook came up with the 29sec figure, including Roger.
The only other short circuit CART race I have seen is on the mile oval at Nazareth. The pole there was in the 19secs bracket, but not as tight as Brands of course and slightly shorter. But the two turns at Nazareth were definitely taken with a lift. I reckon a low 30 at Brands is definitely on.

Sato san · 24 Apr 2003, 06:51 (Ref:579077)

i agree....a 32 or a 33 second lap should be on the cards , and how impresive will that be to see !

DavidStHubbins · 24 Apr 2003, 15:09 (Ref:579504)

Darren Manning says 37 secs. I will go with that.

I REALLY wish i was back in england for this race - I have a feeling it will be crazy. Really glad that the contract is for 5 years though and the full GP track in future. Just hope it all happens though.

GAZZAH · 24 Apr 2003, 19:35 (Ref:579817)

Champ cars will make similar times to the modern euroboss quick guys, with their heavier but more powerful chassis hopefully pushing the 37 sec boundary along.
Darren Manning should run well at his home event, with more recent experience than any of the others.
It will be a manic start so be there for that.

GAZ

Jay · 24 Apr 2003, 21:12 (Ref:579924)

Quote:

Originally posted by DavidStHubbins
Darren Manning says 37 secs. I will go with that.

Ok, that means the quick guys will probably be around the 31-33s range.

p15pathfinder · 24 Apr 2003, 21:21 (Ref:579933)

Does it really matter which car/series is faster? They all look good when racing.

ascarracinguk · 24 Apr 2003, 21:25 (Ref:579936)

ok just to put things at rest i was at long beach last week masrhaling and talked to jim swintal along with some buds.... they are predicting lap times to be between 32-35 seconds. at the end of the day it doesnt matter who is faster. there is no comparison. if cart turns out to be slower people will say it is because boss runs f1 cars that arent that old. if cart goes faster people will say it is because they are professionally prepared so this is a dead end thread

krt917 · 29 Apr 2003, 09:57 (Ref:583580)

Thanks for that ascarracinguk!

There's actually been a lot more responses to this thread than I expected

Seriously though, I agree with pathfinder, they are both good series.

PS. Wouldn't mind seeing Earl Goddard in a Champcar

Sato san · 29 Apr 2003, 21:02 (Ref:584324)

Quote:

Originally posted by krt917
PS. Wouldn't mind seeing Earl Goddard in a Champcar

yer , i agree with that !...

Stevespurr · 29 Apr 2003, 21:32 (Ref:584353)

good look to them all i dont think i would like to try and go that fast round brands in euroboss or cart scary speeds i will be at donnington have a good time every one whos going

JR Ewing · 30 Apr 2003, 19:59 (Ref:585555)

I'd like to bet 100 pounds with anyone silly enough to think that EuroBOSS cars will get anywhere near CART times...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Andrew Kitson · 1 May 2003, 15:18 (Ref:586331)

It will be interesting to see what times the CART boys do.
Found this below from autosport.com who interviewed Chris Pook today. As at the press launch at the NEC in Birmingham, he still predicts lap times under 30secs!

Question to Chris Pook:
Are you excited at the prospect of Champ Cars racing around Brands Hatch for the first time in 25 years?

It's going to be an incredible sight, and I think the racing will be outstanding. It's a challenging circuit. Even though it's only 1.2-miles, the fact that they're going to be running 28-30s laps means it's going to be pretty breathtaking. The cars will have an arrival speed into Paddock of around 175mph and an exit speed of 150mph. That's going to sort the men from the boys.

Jay · 1 May 2003, 17:45 (Ref:586472)

I think Chris might have that a bit fast, he's a marketing man, not an engineer or driver. But, we'll see.

krt917 · 2 May 2003, 09:08 (Ref:587062)

Arrival speed into Paddock is interesting. One of the Ascari-Judd Benettons was, apparently, geared to hit 179mph there last year....

Andrew Kitson · 2 May 2003, 09:25 (Ref:587073)

At the 86 GP, the top F1 guys were hitting 175-177 over the finish line, way before the braking point. Ok, I know this was the GP circuit therefore clearways was quicker, but impressive all the same.

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