[DTM] Race 8 - Nürburgring (GER), 1/2 September 2007

[JMeissner]

Time for the eight round of the DTM - this time at the classic Nürburgring.

Friday 31.08.2007
08.00-08.15 hrs DTM roll out
08.30-09.15 hrs Formel BMW Deutschland free practice
09.30-11.00 hrs DTM test 1
11.15-12.15 hrs Formula 3 Euro Series free practice
12.30-13.00 hrs Porsche Carrera Cup 1. free practice
13.15-14.45 hrs DTM test 2
14.45-14.50 hrs DTM practice starts
15.05-15.55 hrs Formel BMW Deutschland qualifying 1 and 2
16.10-16.40 hrs Seat Leon Supercopa free practice
16.55-17.25 hrs Formula 3 Euro Series qualifying for race 1
17.40-18.20 hrs Porsche Carrera Cup 2. free practice

Saturday 01.09.2007
08.30-09.00 hrs Seat Leon Supercopa qualifying for race 1
09.15-09.45 hrs ADAC Volkswagen Polo Cup free practice
10.00-11.00 hrs DTM free practice
11.25-11.55 hrs Formel BMW Deutschland start race 1
12.20-13.00 hrs Formula 3 Euro Series start race 1
13.28-14.15 hrs DTM qualifying
14.25-14.55 hrs Event programme pitwalk
15.05-15.35 hrs Porsche Carrera Cup qualifying
16.00-16.30 hrs Seat Leon Supercopa start race 1
16.45-17.15 hrs ADAC Volkswagen Polo Cup qualifying
17.25-18.25 hrs DTM taxi drives (noise reduced)

Sunday 02.09.2007
08.50-09.20 hrs ADAC Volkswagen Polo Cup start race
09.40-10.10 hrs DTM warm up
10.35-11.05 hrs Seat Leon Supercopa start race 2
11.30-12.10 hrs Formula 3 Euro Series start race 2
12.35-13.10 hrs Porsche Carrera Cup start race
13.15-13.20 hrs Event Programme Audi Corso
13.25-14.10 hrs Event Programme pit walk/taxis/event programme
14.30-14.45 hrs DTM start grid presentation
15.03 hrs DTM start race
ca. 16.17 hrs DTM podium ceremony
16.55–17.25 hrs Formel BMW Deutschland start race 2

Don't miss the DTM Predictions for this race: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99648

[Last2LiftOff]

Seems like a long time since we had a DTM race. The 07's are closer on ballast this round, and Spengler and Ekstrom are the 2 previous winners of the event so, I look forward to it.

[Last2LiftOff]

Say, is that a live stream feature now at dtm.com? Of both qualifying and the races? Guess we'll find out in about 45 minutes or so.

[Hazard]

Qualifying

1 - Martin Tomczyk [4] - Team Abt Sportsline - Audi A4 DTM - 1:23.197

2 - Timo Scheider [8] - Team Abt Sportsline - Audi A4 DTM - 1:23.210


3 - Tom Kristensen [7] - Team Abt Sportsline - Audi A4 DTM - 1:23.293

4 - Bruno Spengler [2] - HWA AG Mercedes - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.296


5 - Bernd Schneider [1] - HWA AG Mercedes - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.329

6 - Jamie Green [5] - HWA AG Mercedes - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.376


7 - Paul di Resta [19] - Persson Motorsport - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.612

8 - Mika Häkkinen [6] - HWA AG Mercedes - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.685


9 - Daniel la Rosa [15] - Mucke Motorsport - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:23.880

10 - Mattias Ekström [3] - Team Abt Sportsline - Audi A4 DTM - 1:23.923


11 - Gary Paffett [9] - Persson Motorsport - AMG-Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:24.012

12 - Alexandre Prémat [17] - Team Phoenix - Audi A4 DTM - 1:24.093


13 - Susie Stoddart [14] - Mucke Motorsport - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:24.187

14 - Mathias Lauda [18] - Mucke Motorsport - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:24.432


15 - Christian Abt [16] - Team Phoenix - Audi A4 DTM - 1:24.365

16 - Markus Winkelhock [20] - Futurecom TME - Audi A4 DTM - 1:24.402



17 - Mike Rockenfeller [11] - Team Rosberg - Audi A4 DTM - 1:24.416

18 - Alexandros Margaritis [10] - Persson Motorsport - AMG Mercedes C-Klasse - 1:24.515


19 - Lucas Luhr [12] - Team Rosberg - Audi A4 DTM - 1:24.589

20 - Vanina Ickx [21] - Futurecom TME - Audi A4 DTM - 1:25.972

[Last2LiftOff]

DTM's got the best startaufstellungs.

Not unexpected, the live stream didn't work over here - what happened to Ekstrom? And Susie's 13th?

[werner]

No surprise who is last... Or is there? At the end of july, according to www.autosport.nl, the German magazine 'Motorsport Actuell' wrote that she would be replaced. The battle for best woman in the series is anaway long won by Stoddard...

[Hazard]

Originally Posted by werner

No surprise who is last... Or is there? At the end of july, according to www.autosport.nl, the German magazine 'Motorsport Actuell' wrote that she would be replaced. The battle for best woman in the series is anaway long won by Stoddard...

Didn't we hear she wanted out anyway? Ickx's DTM stint has probably been one of the most career damaging exercises seen in recent years.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by Hazard

Didn't we hear she wanted out anyway? Ickx's DTM stint has probably been one of the most career damaging exercises seen in recent years.

Yees, 1.5 seconds away from the rest of the field hardly makes you look good does it.

[Dr Venom]

Great performance, by stoddart, lets hope she can keep it going in the race and score her first points.

[Last2LiftOff]

WHAT!? It's a one hr later start than usual, apparently. Geez.

I'm not sure Susie's started a race as high as that ever...total guess though. Good for her.

[Dr Venom]

thats true, i dont think she has started that high (in DTM)(FRenult at brands she was 3rd on the grid with comtec, i think), she did have a good finish last year as high as 10th, after the season she has had this year i think she will be very happy finishing higher than tenth, best of luck to her and the team.

[Dr Venom]

sounds like it went tits up, quote from DTM.com

Susie Stoddart, TV Spielfilm AMG Mercedes C-Class (18th place): “My start was not really good and I lost some positions. The drive-through penalty due to crossing the white line finally destroyed my race. After my good performance in yesterday’s qualifying, I had expected more and now I am very disappointed.”

[gomick]

Thats a great weekend for Martin Tomczyk, 2 wins in a row - seems the title is a 3 way battle now...

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Another boring race. DTM needs some changes, right now it is awful.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

Another boring race. DTM needs some changes, right now it is awful.

Peugeot?

Last weekend Peugeot Sport team manager Serge Saulnier has visited the Nurburgring and talked to Norbert Haug, Wolfgang Ullrich and some engineers.
Source: www.autosport.nl

[Dr Venom]

that would spice it up, 3 teams racing, but doe's peugeot have a 4ltr V8 engine in its line up and what car would they have to use.

[Speed-King]

The car in question would be the 407. Peugeot don't have a V8 engine in their product range, but I don't think that is neccessary for DTM.

Crazy Leftfield-theory: In 2010 the new Le Mans prototypes have to be coupés and spot greater resemblances to the roadcars of the respective brands. Can anyone see the DTM (they'd have to rename it!!) switching to those cars??
The rules for 2010 will be out this fall and Pug and Audi are already involved in Le Mans...

[werner]

I don't think DTM-spectators are waiting for lemans-like cars, wich aren't touring cars, are they. Having said that, the new rules will probably be written in a way that would please both Audi and Mercedes, but are also able to attract one or more new manufacturers.
So the main question is what type of rules will fit that need?
What I would like is a sort of S2000-type of technical regulations, but with bigger engines, let's say 3l. Let's call it S3000.
Engines would be about 350-400hp. Aero should be only a little bit more than S2000-cars, as well as Tyres. Driver aids should be minimized.
Cars should have rear-wheeldrive, or 4-wheeldrive, but only if the streetcar is available withe 4-wheeldrive to, and the those cars should carry a penaltyweight. The 4-wheeldrivesystem is also limited to mechanical differentials e.d. it's base system should not be more complicatied than the system on the road-going car.
Cars that would meet these regulations are probably the Mercedes C and the Audi A4, but also the BMW 330i, the Lexus whatsitsname, Alfo Romeo 159 (there is a 4-wheeldrivetype, isn't there?) the Jaguar S-type, and probably also some American cars.
If the FIA would exclude rear-wheeldriven cars from S2000 as is sometimes proposed then BMW have a really good opportunity in this championship.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

I think they need this:

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by werner

I don't think DTM-spectators are waiting for lemans-like cars, wich aren't touring cars, are they.

Don't know about that. I think if the German manufacturers are involved the spectators are happy, but I have to admit STW (with Audi, Opel and BMW) never reached the same populairity as DTM.

Originally Posted by werner

Having said that, the new rules will probably be written in a way that would please both Audi and Mercedes, but are also able to attract one or more new manufacturers.
So the main question is what type of rules will fit that need?
What I would like is a sort of S2000-type of technical regulations, but with bigger engines, let's say 3l. Let's call it S3000.
Engines would be about 350-400hp. Aero should be only a little bit more than S2000-cars, as well as Tyres. Driver aids should be minimized.
Cars should have rear-wheeldrive, or 4-wheeldrive, but only if the streetcar is available withe 4-wheeldrive to, and the those cars should carry a penaltyweight. The 4-wheeldrivesystem is also limited to mechanical differentials e.d. it's base system should not be more complicatied than the system on the road-going car.
Cars that would meet these regulations are probably the Mercedes C and the Audi A4, but also the BMW 330i, the Lexus whatsitsname, Alfo Romeo 159 (there is a 4-wheeldrivetype, isn't there?) the Jaguar S-type, and probably also some American cars.
If the FIA would exclude rear-wheeldriven cars from S2000 as is sometimes proposed then BMW have a really good opportunity in this championship.

Yep (but don't sure about allowedin 4WD). Take the best of DTM and S2000 and you get a great championship.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

I think they need this:

The SuperStars Audi is indeed a great looking car.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

The car in question would be the 407. Peugeot don't have a V8 engine in their product range, but I don't think that is neccessary for DTM.

Crazy Leftfield-theory: In 2010 the new Le Mans prototypes have to be coupés and spot greater resemblances to the roadcars of the respective brands. Can anyone see the DTM (they'd have to rename it!!) switching to those cars??
The rules for 2010 will be out this fall and Pug and Audi are already involved in Le Mans...

Sounds like Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (DRM) from the 70s and 80s. I cannot see DTM switch to LMP cars because DTM wants costs reduction (but I admit I had the same thought as you ).


But like the author writes at autosport.nl don't make to much conclusions about Peugeot's visit to DTM. It's not the first time manufacturers visit a series were they are not involved. At the forum of dtm.com I read 9 manufacturers are involved in discussions about the new technical details of S2000. And maybe Peugeot visited Audi to talk about LMS 2008?

According autosport.nl DTM will have a new set of technical rules in 2009. Main changes: cost reduction, less aero parts (for more action and overtaking) and less room for (team) tactics.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Sounds like Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (DRM) from the 70s and 80s. I cannot see DTM switch to LMP cars because DTM wants costs reduction (but I admit I had the same thought as you ).

1 racing program instead of two would be cost reduction, wouldn't it?

But like the author writes at autosport.nl don't make to much conclusions about Peugeot's visit to DTM. It's not the first time manufacturers visit a series were they are not involved. At the forum of dtm.com I read 9 manufacturers are involved in discussions about the new technical details of S2000. And maybe Peugeot visited Audi to talk about LMS 2008?

According autosport.nl DTM will have a new set of technical rules in 2009. Main changes: cost reduction, less aero parts (for more action and overtaking) and less room for (team) tactics.

But your right. Motorsport Aktuell writes today about plans for a standart monocoque that the manufacturers can buy from the DTM and equip with their own engine and silouette. Other corner points are restricted aero-gimmicks and no team order.

[Dr Venom]

They should't reduce the engine size, keep the 4ltr V8's just look at the OZ and NZ V8 cars, packed grids and a load of paying spectators all with only 2 manufactures battling it out every other weekend, DTM just needS to stop the team orders and let the teams fight it out.

[flor]

afaik they wont reduce the engine size, they might even increase the restrictor size