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22 May 2012, 10:32 (Ref:3077737) | #1351 | ||
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tier 1 has had a hard year....i suppose in sports terms would be called a 'transition' year.. however,as an avid motorsport follower please tell me what classic event smoked the entire tier 1 season,cause i havent seen it.....!! |
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22 May 2012, 11:02 (Ref:3077746) | #1352 | |||
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When you think about it, it is not that surprising. The most recently reported season's Tier 1 gate takings were around $172k (figure from TMC's accounts). If you divide that by an average ticket price of $25 you get a total of 6880 paying spectators over all six rounds. I would think that the BMW Festival (and the previous Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon Festivals) easily had more than 6880 paying spectators at each of those events. |
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22 May 2012, 14:07 (Ref:3077827) | #1353 | |
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And you may find if Tier one was held as 6 rounds at Hampton Downs the good numbers may be there too.
All classes can have a good one off entry, Production GT had something link 35 to 30 cars at Teretonga. Try getting you masses of Classic competitors to run a full season of races across all the NZ tracks and see how many would still enter? For the good of motorsport in NZ a series may have to suffer some low numbers at some tracks to help promote others, after all it is Motorsport New Zealand, Not Motorsport Auckland. |
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22 May 2012, 20:07 (Ref:3078001) | #1354 | |
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Add to the gate $$$$ debate that TMC only declare their share of the gate takings. Every circuit has their own contract with them as to the level of services, equipment and manpower supplied etc and this is reflected in the share of the gate.
As a member of a car club that actually owns it's race circuit complete with all land, buildings and equipment etc I do have a pretty good understanding of how much it costs to run any race meeting be it a club day or an international status meeting. Trust me there is s.f.a. left at the end of the day and there in lies the major problem. Live TV does not help either, that has decimated gate numbers |
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22 May 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3078047) | #1355 | |||
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With the Production GT class at Teretonga in January there were actually 23 entrants (the separate Sports GT grid had 10 entrants). With respect to these drivers, most were locals doing a one-off event and were not MSNZ Championship Series contenders. In fact, with the combined Production and Sports GT Series there was only one car that did all championship rounds - hardly indicative of a robust championship series. The comment about MSNZ not being Motor Sport Auckland is closer to the truth than perhaps you realise. Motor sport competitors and cubs in Auckland actually get pretty much ignored by MSNZ and that is behind some of the grips. There are about 97 affiliated clubs to MSNZ but only 23 come from Auckland. The Auckland based clubs tend to have larger membership numbers than other clubs. However, each club has a vote irrespective of it's member numbers - a club with 10 members has the same say as a club with 300 members. It appears from entrant records that around half of MSNZ's licensed competitors compete on the Auckland based tracks but within MSNZ the Auckland clubs have less than 25% say. Despite the competitor numbers and the income generated through the Auckland clubs, it appears that there is little affinity within MSNZ for either Auckland or the historic and classic fraternity (hardly surprising considering there has been no Aucklander on MSNZ Executive for over 10 years and no H&C person for almost a similar period). Due to the 75% voting block from non-Auckland clubs it is almost impossible to get representation so there is no point in putting your name forward. |
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22 May 2012, 22:26 (Ref:3078085) | #1356 | |||
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Interesting comment from SM regarding what live TV does to spectator numbers. I am a bit on the fence on that one, it probably works to have it one week later (max) but some might argue that the TV coverage boosts the profile of the sport, thereby encouraging people to get along and see it when it gets to their town. This is something that TMC have never done very well, which I reckon is much more of a problem than the TV coverage. Also lack of decent support classes never helped either, probably a bit better this year with the GT's but I'd been long gone as a paying spectator by then. By contrast, I always go to the F5000's and I will be going to the ST's again next month. You figure it out... |
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22 May 2012, 23:02 (Ref:3078090) | #1357 | |
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I do fail to understand your post on one hand you talk about weak supports which in the tier one before this year which included GT3, Toyota, Formula Ford, and others yet you are williing to go to ST which has one of the weakest supports I have seen with top level motorsport. In fact it's one of the few limiting things to putting a good show that the ST boys have got. I do agree with you about the TV coverage with the right promotion TV should help get better gates, look at the Australian series and many others the site and sounds of the cars are so much better live than on TV people should want to go to it. |
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22 May 2012, 23:26 (Ref:3078097) | #1358 | ||
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has ST even named their supports.. or will it be more open "run what you brung" classes again?
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23 May 2012, 00:39 (Ref:3078106) | #1359 | |
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All on their website Promax
Japanese Open Class Allcomers Saloons Production Muscle V8ChallengeCup |
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23 May 2012, 00:43 (Ref:3078107) | #1360 | ||
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looks good. they have created three new classes that could allow the same car in each (except V8 challenge.) something like a toyota Supra or GTR nissan could be entered in three classes, to boost fields. |
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23 May 2012, 01:41 (Ref:3078112) | #1361 | |||
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I agree the ST's need better support, hopefully that will come next season, but in their case the main course is worth the wait. In any case, they had CMC last time and we all LOVE them |
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23 May 2012, 01:52 (Ref:3078114) | #1362 | ||
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23 May 2012, 22:34 (Ref:3078551) | #1364 | ||
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WOW! another unfinished carcass or two at the MRX shop.
Any photos floating around of completed cars? and by that i mean cars with new engines and g/boxes?? even better would be some in car video (or out-car will do) showing the completed idea in action. |
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23 May 2012, 22:50 (Ref:3078557) | #1365 | ||
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hmm the last race was in April.. it's now May.. and the new season doesn't start until December
would like me to get harcey to explain to you.. that teams looking to race the new gen cars.. would've been rather busy with their 11/12 season commitments.. so you may have to wait a while before you get the youtube videos you go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.. about |
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23 May 2012, 23:32 (Ref:3078573) | #1366 | |||
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Yes i realise that Promax, but December is not far away and there has been no testing done on the completed car yet. And then there are the parity issues to sort out etc especially if Toyota and any other manufacturers come on board. There isn't even a confirmed driver list (unless PM your magically gunna pull that one out of thin air?) I dont need harcey to explain anything to me, but thanks for the offer |
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24 May 2012, 01:27 (Ref:3078597) | #1367 | ||
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If I recollect correctly, at the recent MSNZ conference there was a question regarding the $57,000 "asset" sitting in the MSNZ accounts for the new NZV8 Intellectual Property (design and jigs). In response to the question, MSNZ said it had already recovered $12,000 and I think the fee to prospective buyer was $4,000 per car - so it looks like three of the new NZV8 cars have been sold. Only another 11 and a bit cars to be sold for MSNZ to recover it's member clubs money.
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Realistically, people would not expect an open wheeler to be slower than a tin-top, so the TRS get an exemption, but if you look at say the V8 Supercars, can you name another tin-top class that race with them that goes round the circuit faster? I think the top class needs to be top in one way or another, which was the problem with the NZV8's last season - no top drivers, old slow cars and small grids. The revamp was well overdue. If they do manage to get a third manufacturer on the grid I would be up for going to watch, for sure. |
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24 May 2012, 06:11 (Ref:3078632) | #1370 | ||
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It isn't just about being fast though is it?
Big, Fast, Loud, Close racing, Recognisable drivers. If you can get all of these elements you're onto a good thing. Personally I think it would be great if V8ST drilled holes in their exhaust I'd be interested to know how people rank these attributes. For me it is: 1. Big 2. Fast 3. Close Racing 4. Recognisable drivers 5. Loud Let the debate begin! PS - anything else that is really important? |
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Muscle cars is real racing, steel bodies, the engines match the badge on the front, noise, classic shapes, nostalgia, what more could you ask for?
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