V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 70

Goat Boy · 26 Jul 2012, 07:31 (Ref:3111522)

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Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Nope, will never happen.

IF they are faster than a V8SC and look like a V8SC, there is no way thst TC will have them as a support to the main game.

Absolutely right, he wouldn't have them now either

harcey · 26 Jul 2012, 08:01 (Ref:3111527)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Absolutely right, he wouldn't have them now either

i think you guys are getting a bit carried away with the speed of the ST cars...at Taupo in testing J mac and jono and willy were about 2.5 secs away from the porsche GT3 pace of 2 x seasons ago(and end of back straight chicane is slightly quicker now)......and last week the 997 fastway enduro porsche with lester driving was 1.5 secs quicker than that ST pace on very old tyres....i doubt they are as close to a V8SC as some of you think....

smokin'joe · 26 Jul 2012, 08:03 (Ref:3111528)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

You might be quite interested to read Greg Lancaster's open letter in the other thread on MSNZ, he goes into the costs of the new NZV8 too...

that's on the other thread..... what was the proposed cost of the NZST versus the actual cost....... including upgrades to make it reliable

Goat Boy · 26 Jul 2012, 08:12 (Ref:3111531)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

that's on the other thread..... what was the proposed cost of the NZST versus the actual cost....... including upgrades to make it reliable

My point though is that it doesn't seem to matter what anyone says about the startup cost of whatever series (new ones especially), it's only ever an estimate and usually ends up about 50% more expensive. We are still not in the realms of V8SC territory for budgets by a long way.

Goat Boy · 26 Jul 2012, 08:14 (Ref:3111532)

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Originally Posted by harcey

i think you guys are getting a bit carried away with the speed of the ST cars...at Taupo in testing J mac and jono and willy were about 2.5 secs away from the porsche GT3 pace of 2 x seasons ago(and end of back straight chicane is slightly quicker now)......and last week the 997 fastway enduro porsche with lester driving was 1.5 secs quicker than that ST pace on very old tyres....i doubt they are as close to a V8SC as some of you think....

Well let's get them to Pukekohe and we will see.

BTW, have you ever seen a V8SC at Taupo? That track is likely to suit a Porsche better in any case.

Blackpearl · 26 Jul 2012, 08:25 (Ref:3111536)

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Originally Posted by harcey

i think you guys are getting a bit carried away with the speed of the ST cars...at Taupo in testing J mac and jono and willy were about 2.5 secs away from the porsche GT3 pace of 2 x seasons ago(and end of back straight chicane is slightly quicker now)......and last week the 997 fastway enduro porsche with lester driving was 1.5 secs quicker than that ST pace on very old tyres....i doubt they are as close to a V8SC as some of you think....

What are you on? The gt3s are faster at some tracks then the supercars.

FAS33 · 26 Jul 2012, 23:27 (Ref:3111871)

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Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Nope, will never happen.

IF they are faster than a V8SC and look like a V8SC, there is no way thst TC will have them as a support to the main game.

they are already running the V8 Dunlop series as a support race.

Axeman444 · 27 Jul 2012, 02:32 (Ref:3111907)

but they are run by V8SC!

St00ge · 27 Jul 2012, 02:51 (Ref:3111912)

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Originally Posted by Blackpearl

What are you on? The gt3s are faster at some tracks then the supercars.

Which tracks?

promax · 28 Jul 2012, 04:30 (Ref:3112427)

getting rid of the evidence, huh?

how many engine changes has the knight team done? reckon one of these would be a good buy?

**FIRE** · 20 Aug 2012, 10:51 (Ref:3122029)

Jeroen Bleekemolen will join Colin Corkery in 3 endurance events.

Mr Revhead · 20 Aug 2012, 11:01 (Ref:3122035)

Going back to the speed of the cars...
Has anyone got lap times of the STs there verses the new NZV8 with the old drivetrain? That was 4s a lap quicker than the old NZV8s.
Manfield this year the STs were 4s a lap faster than the old NZV8s.
Now, Manfield was not ideal conditions, not a lot of it was dry (some was though) so there's prob still a second or two in there, and Ruapuna is different to Manfield. But the evidence points to the STs not being as fast as a lot claim (Not that over all speeds matters in spec classes)
Would be pretty cool to see some comparable lap times between them all

smokin'joe · 20 Aug 2012, 11:33 (Ref:3122052)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Going back to the speed of the cars...
Has anyone got lap times of the STs there verses the new NZV8 with the old drivetrain? That was 4s a lap quicker than the old NZV8s.
Manfield this year the STs were 4s a lap faster than the old NZV8s.
Now, Manfield was not ideal conditions, not a lot of it was dry (some was though) so there's prob still a second or two in there, and Ruapuna is different to Manfield. But the evidence points to the STs not being as fast as a lot claim (Not that over all speeds matters in spec classes)
Would be pretty cool to see some comparable lap times between them all

don't go start that one Revvy. next you'll be saying the potential new NZV8 could be as quick as a ST ??

Mr Revhead · 20 Aug 2012, 11:36 (Ref:3122053)

I'm only going off what figures I have seen, and they started it

And going by the lap times I have seen, It could be a lot closer than the ST fans would like. But again I will state it matters 0 which is faster. I just don't like seeing silly claims.

Anyway, I was stating definites, I was asking if anyone had any

Goat Boy · 20 Aug 2012, 18:17 (Ref:3122220)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

I'm only going off what figures I have seen, and they started it

And going by the lap times I have seen, It could be a lot closer than the ST fans would like. But again I will state it matters 0 which is faster. I just don't like seeing silly claims.

Anyway, I was stating definites, I was asking if anyone had any

I'm trying to remember what the times were for the opening round? It was either 1:01's or 1:04's. What were the NZV8 times? It was only the TL cars there wasn't it? And of course the CC raced there anyway, can't remember times though.

Goat Boy · 20 Aug 2012, 20:17 (Ref:3122255)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I'm trying to remember what the times were for the opening round? It was either 1:01's or 1:04's. What were the NZV8 times? It was only the TL cars there wasn't it? And of course the CC raced there anyway, can't remember times though.

Right, did some hunting for ya, Rev. ST Round 1 at HD top qualifier was Kayne Scott with a 1:04.472

Best V8CC Matt Lockwood with a 1:10.489

So almost exactly 6 seconds a lap quicker at HD. I'd expect the difference to be more pronounced at fast circuits like Pukekohe though, because the TL cars reached their top end about half way along and then sat there, but the extra horses in the ST's should give them a fair bit more at the top, plus probably better aero on the new shape as well (although that is an assumption only).

Mr Revhead · 20 Aug 2012, 22:09 (Ref:3122309)

So possibly the new NZV8 will be about the same lap times asd te ST then. I thought so.
Still, not a definite.

Goat Boy · 20 Aug 2012, 22:11 (Ref:3122310)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

So possibly the new NZV8 will be about the same lap times asd te ST then. I thought so.
Still, not a definite.

1) Were there any TL-X's at HD last weekend?
2) If so do you have any lap times?

Mr Revhead · 20 Aug 2012, 22:16 (Ref:3122312)

No idea to both, which is why I said possibly, and not definite.
So really its no clearer than before lol.
Just puts a bit of realisim on some claims is all

Mr Revhead · 20 Aug 2012, 22:17 (Ref:3122313)

No idea to both, which is why I said possibly, and not definite.
So really its no clearer than before lol.
Just puts a bit of realisim on some claims is all

Goat Boy · 20 Aug 2012, 22:44 (Ref:3122317)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

No idea to both, which is why I said possibly, and not definite.
So really its no clearer than before lol.
Just puts a bit of realisim on some claims is all

Well Promax reckoned a TL-X on Dunlops was 3 seconds quicker than a TL around Ruapuna, so I guess you could hazard a guess that would make them about 3 sec slower than an ST?

NZSTfan · 20 Aug 2012, 23:10 (Ref:3122324)

isn't the TLX car around 50 - 75 hp less than the ST? Also what are the torque figures like on the assigned engines for the TLX car?

And while we are there, what is the weight, all up (including driver) for the TLX?

I really dont think the TLX car with the TT box will be 'competitive' compared to an ST, but still better than the current cars as used in V8CC. I'd say GB is about right, maybe 3 or 4 secornds slower around Ruapuna

Goat Boy · 20 Aug 2012, 23:22 (Ref:3122329)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

isn't the TLX car around 50 - 75 hp less than the ST? Also what are the torque figures like on the assigned engines for the TLX car?

And while we are there, what is the weight, all up (including driver) for the TLX?

I really dont think the TLX car with the TT box will be 'competitive' compared to an ST, but still better than the current cars as used in V8CC. I'd say GB is about right, maybe 3 or 4 secornds slower around Ruapuna

And of course you'd have to put the same driver in both, that can make a difference rather!

Icarus_nz · 20 Aug 2012, 23:45 (Ref:3122340)

Equally don't forget that it would quite easy to make the ST faster than it currently is.
But that isn't the point and it wouldn't necessarily make the racing any better

When you look at the 'bang for buck' ST stacks up pretty well esp when you compare the budget compared to the obscene amount they spend in 'The Lucky Country'

Once all 24 cars are on the grid its going to be a pretty good show.
And by pretty good, I mean ever better.

Mr Revhead · 21 Aug 2012, 00:12 (Ref:3122346)

New car with the old running gear was 4s a lap quicker than the old ones at ruapuna.
So not full spec and its around half way beteen st and old v8.
So the gap won't be 3s.

What the STs really need to do is cut the wings. On a clean dry track they are boring to watch. Need less grip

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