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Old 10 Sep 2010, 19:41 (Ref:2757420)   #201
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As it stands now, there is no Audi either. If Audi wants competition, they are actually well-served by getting this rumour out now, because it could be useful to goad HPD/Honda into going head to head. Perhaps swiping Highcroft out from under them could be just the ticket in that regard too...
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 19:42 (Ref:2757421)   #202
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There are a bunch of good privateer LMP teams in the LMS: Rebellion, Prodrive, Oreca etc.

And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets to run the Audis then there are zero big teams left as it is now. What point is there for Audi to race against semi-pro efforts like Drayson & Cytosport? Victories against them have no marketing-value whatsoever..

So don't tell me they wouldn't be better off in the LMS. What's up with you badmouthing the LMS and the ILMC all the time btw? You talk about the ILMC going away and whatnot...I don't get it.

Hmm, who is badmouthing what? Who is the one that brought up the subject matter of which series they should run in?




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Manufacturers don't like LMS because of the small crowds and bad TV coverage.
The TV coverage is only bad when there are no manufacturers around! Eurosport will show almost five hours of this weekend's race...what's so bad about that coverage?
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Hmm, who is badmouthing what? Who is the one that brought up the subject matter of which series they should run in?

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I´m not badmouthing anything but as it stands now, the ALMS is completely unattractive from a LMP-point of view.

chernaudi already talked about what Peugeot will do if the ILMC goes under in another topic. What indication is there that it will? I say its off to a great start even though the announcement of the series came kind of late for this year.
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I´m not badmouthing anything but as it stands now, the ALMS is completely unattractive from a LMP-point of view.

chernaudi already talked about what Peugeot will do if the ILMC goes under in another topic. What indication is there that it will? I say its off to a great start even though the announcement of the series came kind of late for this year.
Unattractive as an LMP point of view! Have you watched any of the races this year??

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Unattractive as an LMP point of view! Have you watched any of the races this year??


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Ahh yes, the old GrandAm talking point: The cars suck but at least the racing is good...

The ALMS has one LMP team with an all-pro driver lineup that does a full season. One!

The rest are second-grade teams at best... the only thing that has been good about the ALMS this year is GT.
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Ahh yes, the old GrandAm talking point: The cars suck but at least the racing is good...

The ALMS has one LMP team with an all-pro driver lineup that does a full season. One!

The rest are second-grade teams at best... the only thing that has been good about the ALMS this year is GT.
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Again, I´m not badmouthing anything...those are all facts.
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No, those are opinions! PHR, Dyson, Drayson and CytoSport are all capable of running in the front of an LMS grid!




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The ALMS has one LMP team with an all-pro driver lineup that does a full season. One!

The rest are second-grade teams at best...
Okay, the RS Spyder is a terrible prototype and the factory drivers that are replacing Greg Pickett (Dumas, Bernhard, Luhr, Maassen) are dog slow
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Okay, the RS Spyder is a terrible prototype and the factory drivers that are replacing Greg Pickett (Dumas, Bernhard, Luhr, Maassen) are dog slow
They´ve not run an all-pro lineup all season. That's what I was saying..
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They´ve not run an all-pro lineup all season. That's what I was saying..
And that makes ALMS "completely unattractive from a LMP-point of view."

You are lucky that Oreca had reliability issues, otherwise the LMP1 championship of LMS would be pretty boring.
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I´m talking about next season...

In the LMS we have ORECA with their own new car, possibly Prodrive-Aston Martin, possibly Peugeot..

And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets the Audi gig, who's there to race them as of now?
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Next season they will run against this years ALMS LMP! That boat don't float.




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I´m talking about next season...

In the LMS we have ORECA with their own new car, possibly Prodrive-Aston Martin, possibly Peugeot..

And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets the Audi gig, who's there to race them as of now?
I thought the ORECA 02 was put on hold?

Dyson will still be in the ALMS so that is competition. They have had a history of beating Audi a few times.
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The ORECA 02 P1 car is on hold, yes.

Funny how a field filled with possible cars seems bigger than a field filled by a possible lack of cars.
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I´m talking about next season...

In the LMS we have ORECA with their own new car, possibly Prodrive-Aston Martin, possibly Peugeot..

And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets the Audi gig, who's there to race them as of now?
The ILMC is European based and a closer like for like comparison to the ALMS in terms of prestige, budget, miles travelled etc.

The LMS looks like it is being positioned as a privateer series.

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Actually i think there is more to this than our simple minds know yet so far. Would Audi really come back and not expect any competition. They chose ALMS over LMS. They also talked about how it was more attractive and easier to do alms. I think they are expecting Aston Martin in the states. If audi thinks alms is a better choice then you sure better believe Aston Martin knows that too. I think we will see a full season from aston martin with perhaps one car sponsored by lowe's with adrian fernandez and stephan mucke drving with sam hancock third driver(keep in mind sam hancock impressed at Lemans)(he was on the pace of the fastest aston.
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Possibly.............

Audi

ILMC = Audi AG Joest

ALMS = Audi NA ?

Peugeot

ILMC = Peugeot Sport

ILMC/LMS = ORECA

Aston Martin

ILMC = Prodrive

ILMC/LMS = JOTA

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Patron Highcroft Racing

Expect to see a patron highcroft racing aston martin in P1 ALMS next year. The david brabham ties to Aston Martin will make that come true. Audi would never let simon pagenaud into there car which eliminates Patron highcroft racing's diesel prototype bid. Pagenaud is factory peugeot driver. they said 6 cars will be built i think
Prodrive Aston Martin x2 To be run at Lemans and ILMC. One car for petit to compensate for Highcroft.

Highcroft racing x1 To be run in ALMS and lemans

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HPD is a bit of a mystery. they say they have an engine but no car for either lmp1 or lmp2. Actually im not sure. they have the 3.4 litre V8 which is the2011 reg maximum for petrol. If they bulked of the hpd arx01c chassis it could make lmp1. It has proven to be outstanding in LMS.
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i would of thought that HPD would do the formula lemans project but obviously oreca beat them.
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Expect to see a patron highcroft racing aston martin in P1 ALMS next year. The david brabham ties to Aston Martin will make that come true. Audi would never let simon pagenaud into there car which eliminates Patron highcroft racing's diesel prototype bid. Pagenaud is factory peugeot driver. they said 6 cars will be built i think
Prodrive Aston Martin x2 To be run at Lemans and ILMC. One car for petit to compensate for Highcroft.

Highcroft racing x1 To be run in ALMS and lemans

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Horse manure, when it comes to PHR. AMR will only run 2 werks cars maximum! The other cars running (if any) will be customer cars. Duncan already owns chassis (pl) that are legal for next year and that can be upgraded. HPDs engine is a proven unit which would offer the most assurance for winning and will still be offered up.



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Huh? What would HPD do? They do not build chassis in-house.




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