VSCC Spring Start (incl FISCAR's George Abecassis Centenary Trophy Race) 20/21 April

[terence]

Originally Posted by FastDB2s

Just great !

Chris,is that the ex Peter Wardle car?


Was there a problem with the 100S Healey?

[terence]

Back in the day there wasn't a choice. Sorry, but they just look sooooo out of place,spoils the image.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Back in the day there wasn't a choice. Sorry, but they just look sooooo out of place,spoils the image.

Balderdash Terry. They look nowhere near as out of place as a smashed face or broken nose. If you want to see cars racing come to a race meeting and give the drivers suitable modern protection, if you want to recreate a pastiche of 1950s life go to a museum.

But you may think me biased

[Mike Bell]

Middle line hear- I wear open face in closed cars and full face otherwise.

Where some historic drivers go wrong IMHO (please note), is by having modern garish colour schemes on their headgear. A plain white full face looks less out of place to me in an old racer than some airbrushed F1/MotoGP style dome.....


Max- you're biased!

[FastDB2s]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Chris,is that the ex Peter Wardle car?

No I think that was MG engined.

[/QUOTE]
Was there a problem with the 100S Healey? [/QUOTE]

Dont know if there was, it wasnt that quick but only very well developed ones would be quick.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Balderdash Terry. They look nowhere near as out of place as a smashed face or broken nose. If you want to see cars racing come to a race meeting and give the drivers suitable modern protection, if you want to recreate a pastiche of 1950s life go to a museum.

But you may think me biased

I f you don't want a bashed up nose, why race an old car?

But I am very definitely biased, bigotted as well

[FastDB2s]

Originally Posted by bauble

I f you don't want a bashed up nose, why race an old car?

But I am very definitely biased, bigotted as well

Not sure if you can race an open face in an open car without goggles & if you use goggles your vision is restricted, (not to mention sweat) so if you dont have goggles (and I dont) you have to use a full face helmet.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by FastDB2s

Not sure if you can race an open face in an open car without goggles & if you use goggles your vision is restricted, (not to mention sweat) so if you dont have goggles (and I dont) you have to use a full face helmet.

I just can't understand how Stirling Moss, Mike Hawthorn, Juan Fangio etc. managed all those years ago, it must have been a real struggle for the poor chaps.

Ah! But of course they didn't wear Nomex knickers, balaclava helmets, fireman's gloves and padded boiler suits. Not even a seat belt to keep them in.

That explains it.

[midgetman]

Of the three you mention, one is dead and one only just got away with his life. QED

(Oh OK I know Hawthorn died in a road accident but that's just being pedantic! Substitute Collins, von Tripps, Behra ad infinitum, all in accidents that would be survivable today)

[bauble]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Of the three you mention, one is dead and one only just got away with his life. QED

(Oh OK I know Hawthorn died in a road accident but that's just being pedantic! Substitute Collins, von Tripps, Behra ad infinitum, all in accidents that would be survivable today)

You really should not take any notice of a crusty Old Git like me, but I still would LIKE to see open face helmets with or without goggles in historic cars.

Anyway what's wrong with a cloth cap worn backwards?

One thing I really hate is the ridiculous scaffolding on some historic cars. A roll over bar is one thing but several feet of pipe work sticking up at the back is ................. well ....................*&£$"!^%£

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by bauble

You really should not take any notice of a crusty Old Git like me, but I still would LIKE to see open face helmets with or without goggles in historic cars.

Anyway what's wrong with a cloth cap worn backwards?

One thing I really hate is the ridiculous scaffolding on some historic cars. A roll over bar is one thing but several feet of pipe work sticking up at the back is ................. well ....................*&£$"!^%£

Re first sentence, We don't. Re last paragraph, I expect that a lot of scaffolding is required by regulations rather than through driver choice. Agree it can be ugly......

[FastDB2s]

Originally Posted by bauble

Anyway what's wrong with a cloth cap worn backwards?

is the ridiculous scaffolding on some historic cars. A roll over bar is one thing but several feet of pipe work sticking up at the back is ................. well ....................*&£$"!^%£

would love to race in cloth cap backwards & shorts sleeved shirt as you could not so very long ago - those days are over though.

As Mike says its regulation driven but may also be the other half making decisions or just the value of the driver to his board or insurance company driven.

[terence]

Originally Posted by bauble

I just can't understand how Stirling Moss, Mike Hawthorn, Juan Fangio etc. managed all those years ago, it must have been a real struggle for the poor chaps.

Ah! But of course they didn't wear Nomex knickers, balaclava helmets, fireman's gloves and padded boiler suits. Not even a seat belt to keep them in.

That explains it.

Obviously those were REAL men,not used to central heating type comforts of home. Or,come to that,race harnesses [Put that in for that biased person]

[bauble]

Yeah! I know it is just dreaming, but one of the most impressive performances I have witnessed in many years, was that of John Young and Nick Wrigley driving the Cooper- Bristol in last years '9 Hour Recreation' at the Revival meeting. I was looking at the car in the paddock the next day and it was just like it was when Tony Crook raced it in the fifties. No roll cage/bars, seat belts, flimsy alloy bodywork, and they drove it flat out for ninety minutes! Around one of the dodgiest circuits in the country! (safety wise). Second to a C-Type, two very brave men.

(See I am not always crusty, sometimes I'm just an Old Git)

Is anybody out there?

Kind regards to anyone who does not take offence.

bauble.

[bauble]

Perspective; I should mention that I saw the likes of Moss, Hawthorn, Fangio et al race many times (I've actually spoken to all three). I still grieve those who died racing, they were my heroes so pardon me if I ride a tall horse sometimes.

Bob.

[Will Nuthall]

Originally Posted by bauble

Yeah! I know it is just dreaming, but one of the most impressive performances I have witnessed in many years, was that of John Young and Nick Wrigley driving the Cooper- Bristol in last years '9 Hour Recreation' at the Revival meeting. I was looking at the car in the paddock the next day and it was just like it was when Tony Crook raced it in the fifties. No roll cage/bars, seat belts, flimsy alloy bodywork, and they drove it flat out for ninety minutes! Around one of the dodgiest circuits in the country! (safety wise). Second to a C-Type, two very brave men.

(See I am not always crusty, sometimes I'm just an Old Git)

Is anybody out there?

Kind regards to anyone who does not take offence.

bauble.

Completely agree, great drive! John Ure and Nick Wigley were both wearing full face helmets!

They were also in a sports car race, although there wheels weren't completely covered the rest in the race were. Chances of rolling are significantly lower than in a single seater race.

[terence]

Originally Posted by bauble

Perspective; I should mention that I saw the likes of Moss, Hawthorn, Fangio et al race many times (I've actually spoken to all three). I still grieve those who died racing, they were my heroes so pardon me if I ride a tall horse sometimes.

Bob.

Carry on riding Bob,really not a problem.

[FastDB2s]

One other thing if I wore my open face helmet, not sure if or how I would get my specs under a pair of goggles.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by FastDB2s

One other thing if I wore my open face helmet, not sure if or how I would get my specs under a pair of goggles.

For goodness sake Deebie, have you never heard of a visor?

[bauble]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Carry on riding Bob,really not a problem.

Thank you Terence, it is nice to know that not [B]EVERYBODY[B] is tired of my constant whittering about the 'good old days'.

I may be one of the few surviving people who witnessed the accident at Le Mans in 1955, so you may understand that I do appreciate the dangers of motor sport, even to the extent of nearly being eliminated on a couple occasions by errant cars and loose wheels myself. Still love the sport and those who 'go down to the sea ........'

Kind regards,

Bob.

[John Turner]

Just realised that I didn't put any pics up of this race, so here are a few:-

[John Turner]

And a few more:-