marshals that are in world,, do they put you off

[craig hope]

I recently attend a meeting and felt that some marshals there were a law to themselves,,, they kept away from others and did not really want to know the rest of the team,, could this be a reason that marshals don’t want to stay and enjoy what they are actually doing,, this could also be said for bigger events, when marshals follow them around the country some of these I find,, think they are better than others

What do you all think, have you come across this??

[b1ackcr0w]

Occasionally you get this. But in my experience, it's very much a rare exception to the rule. I've always found that the vast majority of marshals are very welcoming, personable types.

It's a bit of a giveaway that a tiny minority set up "cliques". It tends to be because they haven't mastered the social skills needed to join in as part of a bigger team. Don't be put off by these people. I'll say it again, they are rare and not worth worring about.

[scorch]

Unfortunatly this does happen, there are 100's of marshalls and you can't be friendly with them all at the same time, so like in life small groups tend to collect.

However 99.9% of the time these groups are friendly and tend to welcome anybody else who turns up, but I do agree there are some gorups that always try to be seperate themselves from the rest of the marshalls, while i do see this as dissapointing it has and will always happen.

Just ignore it.

[rescue dude]

I,ve found that marshals who are like this only do the one venue if they did more they would find that they are in a very small minority as most of us are more than happy to chat and pass on any tips etc.

We do it for the craic.

[M Greenslade]

Graig Hi, once or twice I have come across this but it is very rare, please don't be put off by it - Balders

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by craig hope

I recently attend a meeting and felt that some marshals there were a law to themselves,,, they kept away from others and did not really want to know the rest of the team,, could this be a reason that marshals don’t want to stay and enjoy what they are actually doing,, this could also be said for bigger events, when marshals follow them around the country some of these I find,, think they are better than others

What do you all think, have you come across this??

Yes ...I have seen this....but after years of Marshaling I sort of understand...

There are a several truckloads of ******s and much, much more good people Marshaling.....some, however, have been bitten bad by others...so once bitten (twice shy)...in all probability, if you got to carefully know this group ....they might be quite normal (like you and me )

Otherwise....don't waste your time worrying about them...they probably are just ******s

[beefy]

I've come across a few like this, but I've almost always found the teams I've worked with welcoming. It's also made me think about how I should be working with others, especially those who are new to marshalling. Mind you, I think I put someone off by being a little too silly once!

[Stoowert]

I agree. Most "cliques" tend to be single venue marshals who's social life revolves around a small group of fellow-marshals. Some circuits and clubs encourge this by keeping teams together. I know Snetterton and Combe are two. At Brands, you may find the same observers and flags on the same posts, but their collegues could be anyone, within reason, as some posts, like 4a are not for everyone and the club want to know that they will get 100% co-operation from those marshals. If they wont talk to you, soddem. It's their loss, not yours. You wont have to go far to find a friendly face...

[rescue dude]

Craig!! If you want to be welcomed and respected as a marshal you ought to try hillclimbing. I been doing it for years and a nicer bunch you,ll never find.

[Steve Gibson]

I think Craig is refering to some visiting marshals at the event who were tied to the organising club and certainly did not seem to want to welcome the locals!

[craig hope]

Yes Steve you are correct it is more with visiting marshals than the regular people...

I just think that this may be a reason that some new marshals don’t last very long as they think that they are not wanted when put on post with these people.

this in no way would put me of doing my great hobby and when I work with these people it is good in a way as I get more time to watch racing as I find it easier to let them get on...


Just wondered if it happens all over the country or is it just us northerners they not keen on

[Tracey]

I figure we're all in it for the same reasons and try to be sociable to all. When I used to be in a team atr Snetterton (before going on rescue) I would go out of my way to welcome any 'new' faces so they had a good time.

Treat others as you would want to be treated!

[The Fat Clerk]

Couldn't agree more Tracey, @ Mallory, if we see a "newboy or girl" @ the debrief in the bar afterwards we always offer them a beer.

[scorch]

I would just like to add an word of caution. I do not believe it is only caused by single circuit marshalls. There is one big clique going about that can be very intimadating to other marshalls, and that is the 10/10 group.

I have been on post with a bunch of people from 10/10 they were all displaying their 10/10 patches with pride, and everybody knew everybody else, and spent the first couple of hours discussing the current threads on the forum. (all forums not just the marshalling one),

Don't get me wrong i was made to feel welcome and everybody was friendly, but any group of people can act like it wether they want to or not.

[PapaJuliet]

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

Couldn't agree more Tracey, @ Mallory, if we see a "newboy or girl" @ the debrief in the bar afterwards we always offer them a beer.

I don't remember you buying me a

PJ

[The Fat Clerk]

Do you mean I owe you one?
Can certainly put that right, but seriously, we do try to make newcomers feel welcome @ Mallory, don't we?

[gravel_monkey]

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

, but seriously, we do try to make newcomers feel welcome @ Mallory, don't we?

the 750 mc at mallory the other week and it was my first meeting there and i took my friend as a trainee his first meeting ever (apart from rallies) and we ended up on post 9 and i have to say the guys on post were a great laff!

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by scorch

Don't get me wrong i was made to feel welcome and everybody was friendly, but any group of people can act like it wether they want to or not.

It's very true, any group that know each other - either because they're always at that circuit and you're not, or because they've all arrived together - can appear to be a clique, but really, it's just easier to mix when you already know someone so it's a natural instinct. 10ths is just another way to get to know people, so the same can apply unless you're very careful about it.

I do try to include new people in any group, but it's not always possible, and it's not always noticed. I always hope people will do the same for me. it's only really a problem when people are sneering or maintain their exclusiveness, but in my experience that's fairly rare, it's much more usual if you're standing near a group for them to draw you in.

[blueflagger]

We tend to get a bit of that over here too. There are two distinct groups: those that have a couple of seasons under their belt and show off their experience and those who have been around for years and tend to travel in packs. Those in the first group usually either get over it and become human and social again or drop out of racing altogether. Those in the second group can be a right pain. An experienced chief will try to break the clique up by assigning different crew members or having a talk with one or two of the clique members. In twenty-mumbeltey years, I've only seen that second thing happen three times (once with bikes, twice with cars). Two were well-handled and have wisely broken up, the third got so bad that even experienced workers won't play with them. They're not in my immediate area so I'm lucky.

Craig, most of us marshals are on your side and a good half of the clique-y ones aren't aware that they are doing it. They would stop the behaviour if someone would gently point it out to them. Don't let the few real turkeys get you down.

[Fitzy]

I'm a one circuit person but I do try to get involved, but must agree with others there are some people out there that tend to make you feel second best .. from just chatting on post or going to incidents ( what I mean - people that tend to want to do all the work and not share things going to the driver etc... With you end up being a bottle boy ) .

I do intend to try more circuits but also as said in a pervious posting that I don't know many marshals on a socialable scale so possibly a reason why for no getting out n about.

[Woolley]

I can't remember where I read it (on here), but one of my favourite quotes was along the lines of "If you see a group in orange, you're not excluded, it's just that they haven't issued an invite yet. Don't wait around for it, just join in."

Not always easy to do, I know, but it does work.

[roys1]

you're not excluded, it's just that they haven't issued an invite yet. Don't wait around for it, just join in."

It even works with drivers (see woolley's avatar for proof)
But seriously....... JOIN IN

[craig hope]

most of us marshals are on your side and a good half of the clique-y ones aren't aware that they are doing it. They would stop the behaviour if someone would gently point it out to them. Don't let the few real turkeys get you down.




[SIZE=2]i find it funny that people can be like this doing a hobbie[/SIZE]

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by roys1

It even works with drivers (see woolley's avatar for proof)

LOL - we were definitely invited to that one!

[Stuart Hill]

Originally Posted by Woolley

LOL - we were definitely invited to that one!

It just seemed that some of us got there faster than.........
"now how shall I put this?".............

The One-That-Ran-Away and Hid !!!!