’10 ALMS Finale • Petit Le Mans • '10 ILMC Round 2 Sept. 29th – Oct. 2nd - Page 11

chernaudi · 1 Oct 2010, 21:46 (Ref:2767965)

And it seems that the 2010 regs have hurt Peugeot more than Audi, because the 2010 R15 is at least equal to, if not faster than the '09 car, while the 908s are slower than they were last year. Having to ditch the DPFs may be a sign that the Pugs are struggling for power, as straightline speed seems to be their only defense now, as only the Intersport car is marginally faster though the speed trap.

Last night, Peugeot consisantly ran between 200-203 mph though the speed traps, while only once did an Audi get significantly above 200, and that was just above 201. The Audis may catch the Pugs in traffic and the twisty stuff, but that back straight may be Peugeot's savior.

HORNDAWG · 1 Oct 2010, 21:54 (Ref:2767968)

Can we please refrain from the Audi vs Peugeot ****ing match, thank you!

L.P.

Rennen · 1 Oct 2010, 21:58 (Ref:2767970)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Also, it seems that Peugeot have used their spare tub on the 07 after Davidson wadded it up yesterday--people peering into the Pug tent say that the spare tub that was stored in the rafters is gone.

I have it on good authority that that's not so.

Acid09 · 1 Oct 2010, 22:01 (Ref:2767972)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

And it seems that the 2010 regs have hurt Peugeot more than Audi, because the 2010 R15 is at least equal to, if not faster than the '09 car, while the 908s are slower than they were last year. Having to ditch the DPFs may be a sign that the Pugs are struggling for power, as straightline speed seems to be their only defense now, as only the Intersport car is marginally faster though the speed trap.

I see your spinning machine is already running at full swing... keep polishing that t*rd that is the R15

Rennen · 1 Oct 2010, 22:05 (Ref:2767974)

[QUOTE=HORNDAWG;2767968]Can we please refrain from the Audi vs Peugeot ****ing match, thank you!

So, why's that then? And that's not how you spell Boxing! ;-)

chernaudi · 1 Oct 2010, 22:07 (Ref:2767975)

So's yours--the Pug's advantage is straight line speed, something that's of limited use in traffic. For the Pugs to have a 3-5mph straight line speed advantage and have the fastest Audi only .4 of a second slower means that the Audi is more agile.

Go back to PLM '08. The Pugs had a similar speed advantage, but McNish got through in traffic and had the more agile car--he got jammed up in traffic less in the Esses than the Pug did.

That's not to ignore other variables--it was McNish vs Klien, who no longer drives for Peugeot, being replaced by AD. It was the R10 vs the 908. And McNish had better tires than the Pug did. Still, the Audi R10 had an agility advantage, while the Pug gained an easy couple hundred feet on the Audis on the back straight, and who's to say that the same won't happen again.

We've also seen how wide Audi and Peugeot can make their cars when they need to.

gwyllion · 1 Oct 2010, 22:23 (Ref:2767979)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Maybe Davidson is the new McNish, but he doesn't have the experience nor yet the ability to work traffic (he admitted that he went off last night trying to get around a GT car). And I'll bet that Anthony had to thrash the 908 over those few laps to get the time just as he had to thrash at Le Mans and early on at Silverstone.

You have a short memory. Davidson overtoke McNish in traffic at Silverstone.

chernaudi · 1 Oct 2010, 22:50 (Ref:2767986)

AD also took himself out in traffic last night, to his credit by his own admission, and nearly made Peugeot have to re-build an entire car. At least he admitted that he made a mistake, and rookies make a few.

I'd have to say that on paper that Peugeot has a slight advantage, because if you have a straightline speed advantage, a more agile car can equal the lap time, but it's definently an advantage to defend your position. IE, unless it's like '08, and the Audis mount a late race banzi run on soft tires after a full course yellow or can work some magic in traffic, I'll be a hard race for both Audi and Peugeot, but the Pugs got the straightaway speed, and what would you rather have--agility or brute speed?

fiend540 · 1 Oct 2010, 23:16 (Ref:2767990)

I love how the pug fans think the car is gods gift to men, it's fast and always has been but it only managed to win Lemans once, only won petite once and only won sebring once. Oh boy best car ever

Acid09 · 2 Oct 2010, 00:01 (Ref:2767997)

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Originally Posted by fiend540

I love how the pug fans think the car is gods gift to men, it's fast and always has been but it only managed to win Lemans once, only won petite once and only won sebring once. Oh boy best car ever

+ 2 LMS Championships
+ Le Mans lap record
+ 3 Spa 1000km wins (against Audi)

..etc.

Is the 908 the best car ever? I don't think any car can be labeled best car ever, there have been lots of cars that have dominated sports car racing in their time..

Is the 908 the best ever car build to the LMP1 regulations? Of course..

The car is four years old now and has not been upgraded much since 2008, the aero has remained largely unchanged from the base design that dates back to 2006.

And still, Audi hasn't managed to build a car that can match the 908 in terms of speed. During the course of the 908's run, Audi has build 1 1/2 new cars, they´ve thrown everything they have at it...replaced drivers etc.

And still, the 908 remains unbeatable when it comes to pace. You´re right, it's competition history is weakened by Peugeot's inability to get results..especially in 2008 when they had the speed over Audi and failed to win Le Mans, the PLM and another LMS championship.

Still, mistakes made on the pit wall don't take anything away from the car's performance which is still unmatched almost four years after it's debut.

chernaudi · 2 Oct 2010, 00:09 (Ref:2767999)

Here something I found on Speed TV.com, that Oliver Quesnel isn't at the track at PLM. He's still boss of the Citroen WRC team, so he and a few other Peugeot Sport personel aren't there, and tech director Bruno Famin is in charge.

Also, the Audi R15 that was rebuilt today was repaired in just over 3 hours, because Audi had a tub that was preped to be built, as well as Brad Kettler saying, like the R8 and R10, the R15 is highly modular (paradoxily, it can take up to 5-10 minutes to make a minor set up adjustment, namely changing a front shock, something that in the low tech world of NASCAR can be done in 15 seconds).

That seems to contrast with Peugeot, who had to work from about 9:30 or so last night to 3:30 this morning to get their car fixed. Makes you wonder if there was some repairable tub damage and the Pug guys wanted to save the spare tub, or if the 908 just that hard to work on?

ubrben · 2 Oct 2010, 00:45 (Ref:2768004)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiend540

I love how the pug fans think the car is gods gift to men, it's fast and always has been but it only managed to win Lemans once, only won petite once and only won sebring once. Oh boy best car ever

Is the Pug the quicker car? Demonstrably it is.

Does the fastest car always win in endurance racing? Demonstrably not.

Ben

HORNDAWG · 2 Oct 2010, 01:01 (Ref:2768005)

[QUOTE=Rennen;2767974]

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Can we please refrain from the Audi vs Peugeot ****ing match, thank you!

So, why's that then? And that's not how you spell Boxing! ;-)

Proof is in the pudding! It aint about the race.

L.P.

NightStalk3r · 2 Oct 2010, 01:09 (Ref:2768006)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Proof is in the pudding! It aint about the race.

L.P.

What, when did Audi and Peugeot pull out of the race?

vancecooley · 2 Oct 2010, 04:08 (Ref:2768031)

any word on the drayson ride? Did I miss something?

rich07 · 2 Oct 2010, 05:07 (Ref:2768039)

Just read on Speed that ACS are out for the weekend. What a shame, I was looking forward to seeing what they could achieve (yes I know its a debut).

HORNDAWG · 2 Oct 2010, 05:58 (Ref:2768040)

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Originally Posted by vancecooley

any word on the drayson ride? Did I miss something?

It went to Elan today to have the tub repaired. Is expected to be on grid by last accounting.

L.P.

HORNDAWG · 2 Oct 2010, 06:01 (Ref:2768041)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Just read on Speed that ACS are out for the weekend. What a shame, I was looking forward to seeing what they could achieve (yes I know its a debut).

Yes it is a shame. I really would of liked for them to be out there in the thick of it so they have an idea of what the car will need for next year.

L.P.

Victor_RO · 2 Oct 2010, 06:22 (Ref:2768045)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

If the rules were followed the Pug would not get pole! Both cars had the wick up and blowing black smoke, which is against the rule. Shows just how much fuel they are pushing!

Same thing happened at Le Mans both on the Peugeot and on the Audi. Nobody who was supposed to care did indeed care about it, so... it's probably going to stay like this. After all, these cars are only ever going to race once more after this weekend (unless someone is rich enough to run a grandfathered one next year).

Rennen · 2 Oct 2010, 09:27 (Ref:2768070)

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Originally Posted by fiend540

I love how the pug fans think the car is gods gift to men, it's fast and always has been but it only managed to win Lemans once, only won petite once and only won sebring once. Oh boy best car ever

Well, Davidson said some time ago that he can't help smiling when he drives the 908 as it's the best car he's ever driven. Remembering that he's driven and tested F1 cars for 10 years that says quite a lot.

Interesting to me as mainly an F1 fan, that he aproached his first ever LMP qualifying in the F1 way...going out early to set a 'Banker lap' Banzi 3rd lap, then pitted to watch what his teammates response was.

Lola T70 · 2 Oct 2010, 10:47 (Ref:2768090)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

Interesting to me as mainly an F1 fan, that he aproached his first ever LMP qualifying in the F1 way...going out early to set a 'Banker lap' Banzi 3rd lap, then pitted to watch what his teammates response was.

Would not be surprised if they used soft tyres on Davidson car and medium on Lamy car.

vyselegend · 2 Oct 2010, 13:19 (Ref:2768130)

Yes. And probably #9 on soft too.
It would explain the situation, because sincerely in both teams the car which qualifyed faster is the supporting one. #7 of Mc Nish and #08 of Montagny are obviously the leading cars.

Anyway the gap is so tight this time I expect the race to be really close in P1. A battle like Sebring 2009 would be awsome! Warm up is about to start, I can feel the pressure rising already...

EDIT: Huh, three laps completed an first red flag already...

Simmi · 2 Oct 2010, 13:24 (Ref:2768132)

So with the number of broken tubs the #7 Audi guys are running the Le Mans winning chassis in the race today. Their third in the space of a week.

MJ_N_09 · 2 Oct 2010, 13:26 (Ref:2768133)

What's with all the tubs breaking all the time?

Tom908V12 · 2 Oct 2010, 13:52 (Ref:2768140)

Please a free live streaming video of the race !!!

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