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Old 6 Aug 2004, 17:30 (Ref:1058514)   #1
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GRD 372 and 374

Hi i am new to the forum which i came across whilst surfing for information and pictures on GRD 372 and 374. i am about to restore both the 374 is ex alex ribeiro.The history of the 372 is currently unknow,although painted in swedish colours. I am also looking for photos of Derek Bell in his early days in a lotus 41 which i believe he raced in red rather than usual lotus green.Can anybody remember?
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Old 6 Aug 2004, 18:27 (Ref:1058582)   #2
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If you need any parts or so forth speak to the GRD man, Peter Denty;
Tel 01953 498529
We have had GRD's in the past and he is very good.
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Old 6 Aug 2004, 18:50 (Ref:1058608)   #3
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Nick,

According to my GRD notes, Ribiero's 374 was chassis 088.
I have a couple of photos of it taken at Oulton in 74.

Re. your Swedish 372 - what chassis number is on it?
I have a (incomplete) list of GRDs in 72/73/74 with notes of some chassis numbers and appearances. As you probably know, there were several Swedish 372s in F3 at that time - some were later converted to 74 or 75 spec.
If you can give further details I'll see what my records show.

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Old 6 Aug 2004, 21:01 (Ref:1058774)   #4
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Adam, would be interested in anything you can tell me, chassis 372-012, would be interested in the photos from Oulton as the car has been in America and repainted. Have heard of peter denty and will give him a call when i have understood more of the questions i need to ask
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Old 8 Aug 2004, 21:32 (Ref:1060464)   #5
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Nick,

Chassis 372 012 is a very early GRD - I believe either the second or third chassis built. Unfortunately I don't have a note of whose car this particular chassis was.
However, if it was originally a Continental-based 372 the possibilities are:-
1)the car raced by Bengt Gilhorn in 1972, which was, I believe, returned to the UK and raced/sprinted by Richard Wallinger, or
2)one of two early-built 372s sold to Switzerland and raced by Jo Vonlanthen and Hans-Peter Hoffmann.

I've sent you a PM re. the Oulton Photos of the Ribiero 374.

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Old 9 Aug 2004, 08:35 (Ref:1060772)   #6
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Nick [and Adam]

372-012 would be the third car built.
010 the works test car later run in F3 by Sutcliffe
011 the first FB run by McConnell in New Zealand

GRD were incredibly good at telling the press when they sold cars [even when they hadn't!] and going through Autosport the earliest announced orders are

Gilhorn [January]
Hanspeter Hoffmann [Feb]
Rolf Zumstein [Feb] These two would be the Vonlanthen cars.
Reystan for Kazu Kuwajima [March]
Reystan for Riccardo Achcar [a 272 probably never delivered][March]
Martin Watson [FB March]
Keichi Tahara [a works car] [April, don't think he ever drove it]
Marcello Gallo [April]
Fernando Spreafico [April]
McConnell also ordered a new B72 for the Canadian season with the intention of taking this with his older car which was intended for Jacques Couture. Don't know if this happened or whether Watson ended up with chassis 010.

On the basis of this timing I'd say there was a good chance of 012 being the Gilhorn car if it has some Swedish history.

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Old 9 Aug 2004, 08:43 (Ref:1060782)   #7
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Chris

many thanks for the information, the car is currently in Sweden, hopefully about to be shipped to the uk.When it arrives it may come with some additional information, but your note is a fantastic start

many thanks again

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Old 9 Aug 2004, 08:51 (Ref:1060787)   #8
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Hello

Below are some links to some pictures of a Norwegian GRD 373 wich races in our series. I don't know much about it, It's raced by Petter Huse and has a Nova motor.

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http://www.classicformula.se/kinnekulle22/index.htm
http://www.classicformula.se/gellerasen2/index.htm
http://www.classicformula.se/gellerasen22/index.htm
http://www.classicformula.se/mantorpfinal/index.htm
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Old 9 Aug 2004, 09:02 (Ref:1060795)   #9
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Henrik

many thanks for the link contains useful photos, particularly for the nose on the 374.The 372 has been garaged for at least 10 years

regards

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Old 9 Aug 2004, 13:10 (Ref:1061000)   #10
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Nick/Chris,

I agree with Chris that the Gilhorn 372 is the most likely car. As far as I can now remember my link of Wallinger's car to this car was because his car was said to be "ex-Sweden".

Chris re. the other cars in your list :

I assume Kuwajima was Masami Kuwashima, who raced a Reystan 372 in 72.

Achar never appeared in a 272 (or any other GRD)

Tahara's car WAS a works car. He appeared at least 3 times in UK races in 72.

Gallo and Spreafico's cars were 023 and 026

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Old 11 Aug 2004, 09:55 (Ref:1062897)   #11
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For chassis 012 could you tell us exactly what's on the plate?

The fact that it's been in America has set me thinking.

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Old 11 Aug 2004, 17:02 (Ref:1063174)   #12
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Chris,

I think it's Nick's ex Ribiero 374 that has been in the U.S., not the 372 012.

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Old 11 Aug 2004, 17:05 (Ref:1063175)   #13
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Thats correct, Adam beat me to it
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Old 11 Aug 2004, 22:51 (Ref:1063419)   #14
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That's a relief. I was wondering for a moment if 012 might have been McConnells car which was supposed to go to Canada for Atlantic racing later in 72. There was a GRD B72 appeared in 1973 in Canada, which I guess is the second McConnell car sold on.

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Old 11 Aug 2004, 23:16 (Ref:1063434)   #15
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There are 5 of these cars over here.

Two in Australia , both owned by the Norton brothers in Northern N.S.W.
Both are devoid of chassis plates , both appear to be extremely original F3 cars , and correspondence from Classic Team G.R.D. Mr. Ekkehard Krause in Germany suggest one may be 373-053-F3, the engine in this car is an originall GRD unit that has been with the car since purchase from the U.K. 1985 , Numbers are , Block CBB599 , and Cylinder head BVBH,GRD, 293 F3.
The other Norton car is unknown .

Via my business , I sold gearbox components to a New Zealand man , who advised he had 3 GRD F3 cars , purchased from S.E. Asia a few years ago , which either had/were being used as driving school cars , no other details known to myself.
According to the Classic Team GRD correspondence , the car in the Donnington Museum is not the ex Roger Williamson car , but a replica built up by GRD and presented to Donnington for their assistance, and the actual Williamson car was for sale in Ireland some time later.

Also advised was the fact that GRD built some very sophisticated simulators mouted on trailers for fun fairs etc. and these used proper components and overlife tubs etc.

Sorry about lack of hard information in the way of chassis numbers.
One of the Norton cars was purchased by Mr. Andy MacGregor from the U.K. before resale to Bill Norton.

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Old 12 Aug 2004, 12:14 (Ref:1063826)   #16
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At least two GRDs found their way to SE Asia in period, and may even have been new cars. These were raced 1973 Singapore GP by Silitonga and Wiano and are described as 272s but new built end season. They were certainly running as FB/Atlantic spec with t/c engine, but you could also do that with a F3 GRD as a number of people [Robin Smythe/Tony Rouff etc] did in UK.

I had thought that they might be ex works F2 cars from 72, but all but one of those is accounted for in 73.

These might be the basis of at least some of the cars owned by Bryan's New Zealand guy.

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Old 13 Aug 2004, 11:51 (Ref:1064896)   #17
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Hello
I believe that there is 2 more 1973 cars in Norway. one for restoration owned by owner of car in red/white car and anotherone that is ready but havn't raced in 5-6years

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Old 1 Sep 2004, 21:06 (Ref:1084181)   #18
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now have more info on the 372,it was sold by GRD on the 8/12/71 to a mr john watson (alas not that one) and raced by his son Martin Watson mainly at snetterton,it was sold without an engine but with an exhaust system for a BDA! if anyone comes across any references please let me know as i have found nothing so far

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Old 1 Sep 2004, 23:23 (Ref:1084279)   #19
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I'm sure the Watson GRD was yellow, yes it did race at Snett often, F.Libre etc.
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Old 2 Sep 2004, 04:48 (Ref:1084412)   #20
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Nick,

Martin Watson raced his car in Libre and a few Atlantic races, from 1972 to 1974. I have a couple of photos of it, plus a (probably incomplete) list of appearances.
I'll contact you when I return from Goodwood.

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Old 24 Sep 2004, 15:08 (Ref:1106000)   #21
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Hi, I am also looking for information about 273 F2 077. I think that was Hiroshi Kazatos car.
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Old 24 Sep 2004, 15:20 (Ref:1106017)   #22
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I don't have an 077 on my (incomplete) list
But I do have Kazato in 054
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Old 24 Sep 2004, 16:08 (Ref:1106065)   #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by Adam Ferrington
Nick,

Martin Watson raced his car in Libre and a few Atlantic races, from 1972 to 1974. I have a couple of photos of it, plus a (probably incomplete) list of appearances.
I'll contact you when I return from Goodwood.

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Adam, any pictures you can post on here. Martin W was pretty quick from memory in that car. He later had a March 77B, or that was how it was described anyway, and again he went reasonably well in it. Very nicely turned out as I recall, not like some of the rather scruffy Marches out at that time.
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Old 25 Sep 2004, 13:30 (Ref:1106572)   #24
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Znafrg,

My GRD list also lists Kazato's 273 as 054, with nothing for 077.
The F1 Register's record show 273 077 as the F2 car of Brendan McInerney, which was also run by the works along with Kazato. McInerney appeared 9 times in 1972, with the car being raced in the end of season race at Estoril by Noritake Takahara.

Dan,

I've lent my (2) Watson photos to Nick.......there is one clear photo which I'll post once I get them back.

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Old 27 Sep 2004, 13:49 (Ref:1108323)   #25
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Hello David, hello Adam,
many thanks for the information.
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