Ideal F1 schedule

[zootv]

Suppose, there are no Bernie's or Max's and you are asked to compose your favourite F1 schedule and the number of GP's would have to be limited to 20 rounds. What would be your favourite schedule?

Mine:
1. AUSTRALIA - Melbourne
2. MALAYSIA - Sepang
3. INDONESIA - Sentul
4. INDIA - ??
5. MONACO - Monte Carlo
6. UK - Silverstone
7. CANADA - Montréal
8. USA - Indianapolis
9. MEXICO - Mexico-City
10. FRANCE - Le Castellet
11. GERMANY - Nürburgring
12. BAHRAIN - ??
13. RUSSIA - Nagatino Island
14. BELGIUM - Francorchamps
15. ITALY - Monza
16. BRAZIL - Interlagos
17. ARGENTINA - Buenos Aïres
18. CHINA - Shanghai
19. JAPAN - Suzuka
20. SOUTH AFRICA - Kyalami

That would we a "world" championship

[ASCII Man]

Here's mine:

1) Australia - Adelaide
2) Malaysia - Sepang
3) Japan - Suzuka
4) Brazil - Rio
5) France - Dijon Prenois
6) UK - Silverstone
7) Monaco - Monte Carlo
8) Europe - Nürburgring
9) Belgium - Spa-Francorchamps
10) Mexico - Mexico-City
11) Argentina - Buenos Aïres
12) USA - Laguna Seca
13) Canada - Montréal
14) Italy - Monza
15) South Africa - Kyalami
16) Russia - Nagatino Island
17) Portugal - Jerez

[Sato san]

Just put the Brands Hatch GP circuit in there somewhere and i will be happy !

[zootv]

indeed, you're right Brands Hatch has to be back...

[Speed]

Road America !!!

[Total-F1]

14 fly away races will never wash with the teams - they'd whinge no end about travel costs and logistics...at least it'd stop them having time to test and update the cars...

[Lee Janotta]

1. USGP EAST: Watkins Glen with the armco moved back quite a bit, and new facilities. And new ownership, instead of ISC. That's even years. Odd years, it'll be at Virginia International Raceway.

2. PREMIO MAGNÍFICO DE MEXICO: Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez.

3. PRÊMIO GRANDE DE BRASIL: Interlagos in the old, full configuration even years, Brasilia and Rio trade off on odd years.

4. JAPANESE GRAND PRIX: Suzuka even years, Motegi odd years.

5. PACIFIC GRAND PRIX: Revised and extended Changwon Circuit in South Korea even years (photo here: http://www.f3korea.net/eng/photo/ima.../ground_21.jpg), Sepang odd years.

6. BELGIAN GRAND PRIX: Spa-Francorchamps.

7. GROßER PREIS VON DEUTSCHLAND: Revised and extended Lausitzring.

8. FRENCH GRAND PRIX: Rejuvenated Autodrome du Linas-Montlehery (massive 7-mile track near Paris).

9. EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX: Alternating between Jerez in Spain and Estoril, in Portugal.

10. GRAND PRIX DU MONTE CARLO: Monaco

11. GROßER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH: Revised A1-Ring.

12. Italian Grand Prix: Monza

13. CZECH GRAND PRIX: Brno

14. EIFFEL GROßER PREIS: The FULL Nurburgring, with the GP Strecke leading out onto the Nordscliefe. Modifications consist of a repaving job to pave up to the Armco in some sections and eliminate the jumps, the barriers moved back where possible, the track widened a foot on each side, "soft walls" installed in some particularly dangerous sections, along with fencing in said sections, and the Karousel and Mini-Karousel re-profiled into conventional steeply banked corners. The old narrow banking is starting to come apart, and even 20 years ago wasn't useable by Group C cars.

15. FINNISH GRAND PRIX: No idea where to hold it, but after all the drivers they've put in F1, they deserve a Grand Prix.

16. BRITISH GRAND PRIX: Brands Hatch even years, Silverstone odd years.

17. CANADIAN GRAND PRIX: A rotating schedule of Montreal, Mosport, and Mont-Tremblant.

18. USGP WEST: Laguna Seca, possibly alternated with Willow Springs (with revised facilities and fresh pavement) or Long Beach.

19. ARCTIC GRAND PRIX: Would require brand new road courses based near Seattle and Vancouver. Seattle on even years, Vancouver odd.

20. AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX: Bathurst Mount Panorama.

Jeez... I'd have put in Argentina if I'd had one more pick.

[DNQ]

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
20. AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX: Bathurst Mount Panorama.

You'd be hard pressed getting a Grand Prix car through the dipper...unless you modified the track, and you'd be shot by Australian motor racing fans if you tried to that.



Imagine Montoya, Schumacher or Villeneuve winding along this section of the track, the esses at the top:

[Lee Janotta]

Hey, it's a points-paying event! They can come or stay home, it's their choice!

Though I must say, it wouldn't hurt to add just a little bit of width to the track, likewise with the Nurburgring.

But either way, it's such a spectacular track, how can anyone justify a street race when that circuit's there?!

[greg.n]

1.Australia- Adelaide,Bathuurst or Surfers Paradise Indy circuit
2.Malaysia-Sepang
3.Japan-Suzuka
4.China-Shanghai
5.Brazil-Rio
6.Mexico- Hermanos Rodriguez
7.USGP-Elkhart Lake or a rebuilt Watkins Glen
8.Canada-Montreal
9.Portugal-the old Estoril before the chicane and turn one change.
!0.Spain-Jerez
11.Italy- Mugello
12.Austria-A1 Ring
13.Belguim-Spa
14.Chech Republic-Brno
15.Germany-old Hockenhiem
16.Britain-Silverstone
17.France-Ricard Castellet
18.Bharain-Tilke circuit
19.Monaco-Monte Carlo
20.South Africa-Kyalami (or Argentina-Buenos Aires)

[Total-F1]

That Mt Panorama looks great! It's a crime they don't have a GP there just for those esses!

[TimD]

Lord, you can just see the chicane Bernie would want wedged in the middle of Caltex Chase.

There's not a lot I'd add, to be honest, to Lee Janotta's list. I think that sums up what's missing from Formula 1 these days. Although on mature reflection, following on the great tradition of the San Marino GP held at Imola, I would like to nominate Donington Park as the venue for the inaugural Welsh Grand Prix.

[mac]

Originally posted by Total-F1
That Mt Panorama looks great! It's a crime they don't have a GP there just for those esses!

And that bit of bitumen is after one of the most exhilirating bits of bitumen anywhere in the world, from Reid Park, through Sulman Park, McPhillamy Park (one of the best corners anywhere) and down to Skyline.

[fousto]

Lee
re: artic GP I heard they have redone or are redoing SIR in Seattle !! Too bad Westwood BC is no longer!

[senna12]

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
19. ARCTIC GRAND PRIX: Would require brand new road courses based near Seattle and Vancouver. Seattle on even years, Vancouver odd.[/B]

An ARCTIC Grand Prix near Vancouver??? Were you a geography major, Lee?!

We're lucky if there's snow on the ground for more than a few days each year!... And having lived in Inuvik, I know ARCTIC!!

I'd love to see a race anywhere in the vicinity. Our street course is pretty wide, F1 would like it here.

[f1manoz]

Australia - Adelaide
Japan - Suzuka (not Motegi Lee, it's a pathetic track)
Britain - Brands Hatch (Silverstone has been ruined)
France - Clermont-Ferrand
Belgium - Spa
Italy - Monza
USA - Road America
Canada - Gilles Villeneuve
Brazil - Jacarapagua
Mexico - Hermanos Rodriguez
Spain - Montjuich Park
Germany - Nurburgring (no, not the new one!)
Austria - Osterreichring (rebuild the bloody thing)
Netherlands - Zandvoort
Czech - Brno (it was DESIGNED for F1!!!)
Monaco (just for the history)

They are the 16 countries that deserve races at the moment, and these are the tracks which should be hosting races.

If more than 16 rounds allowed, then add:

Portugal - Estoril (before the rebuild)
Argentina - Buenos Aires (that old long track)
South Africa - Kyalami (again, preferably the old one)

[Lee Janotta]

Originally posted by senna12
An ARCTIC Grand Prix near Vancouver??? Were you a geography major, Lee?!

We're lucky if there's snow on the ground for more than a few days each year!... And having lived in Inuvik, I know ARCTIC!!

I'd love to see a race anywhere in the vicinity. Our street course is pretty wide, F1 would like it here.

Heh... You got a better name for it?

They held a Swiss GP in France, remember. And a Luxembourg GP in Germany.

Fousto, yeah, I've heard the same thing about SIR, but... I'm not a fan of the track in the first place, I don't think it's a good design. I've got plans for a new track near Bremerton I'd rather see a Seattle race held at.

http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...&postid=392400

[Lee Janotta]

Originally posted by f1manoz
Australia - Adelaide
Japan - Suzuka (not Motegi Lee, it's a pathetic track)
Britain - Brands Hatch (Silverstone has been ruined)
France - Clermont-Ferrand
Belgium - Spa
Italy - Monza
USA - Road America
Canada - Gilles Villeneuve
Brazil - Jacarapagua
Mexico - Hermanos Rodriguez
Spain - Montjuich Park
Germany - Nurburgring (no, not the new one!)
Austria - Osterreichring (rebuild the bloody thing)
Netherlands - Zandvoort
Czech - Brno (it was DESIGNED for F1!!!)
Monaco (just for the history)

They are the 16 countries that deserve races at the moment, and these are the tracks which should be hosting races.

If more than 16 rounds allowed, then add:

Portugal - Estoril (before the rebuild)
Argentina - Buenos Aires (that old long track)
South Africa - Kyalami (again, preferably the old one)

Yeah, but you can pass at Motegi. The old course at Kyalami can never be rebuild, there are office buildings sitting on half of it. That's why I'll never advocate for a South African GP again; They had a track that magnificent and didn't take care of it.

[f1manoz]

Well, BIKES can pass at Motegi, but I doubt F1 could. Although considering the stop-start nature of the circuit, anything can happen!

[Down F0rce]

like i said in another topic, Venice would always be a good place for a Grand Prix.

or maybe not.

[senna12]

Originally posted by Lee Janotta


Heh... You got a better name for it?

Actually, yes! Since the British Columbia/Washington/Oregon region is known locally as Cascadia, we can use that one....by the way... do you like the track in Portland?

[bulldogspirit]

1. SOUTH AFRICAN GP - Kyalami
2. BRAZILIAN GP - Rio
3. MEXICAN GP - Hermanos Rodriguez
4. USA South GP - Laguna Seca
5. USA North GP - Watkins Glen
6. CANADIAN GP - Montreal
7. MONACO GP - Monte Carlo
8. FRENCH GP - Paul Ricard
9. BRITISH GP - Brands Hatch
10. CZECH GP - Brno
11. ITALIAN GP - Monza
12. GERMAN GP - Old Hockenheim
13. BELGIAN GP - Spa
14. ARABIAN GP - Bahrain
15. CHINESE GP - Shanghai
16. MALAYSIAN GP - Sepang
17. JAPANESE GP - Suzuka
18. AUSTRALIAN GP - Adelaide

An attempt to balance politics - GP in every continent and scheduling to get fly-away races together - and using the best circuits viable. 18 races seems a nice number, 20 is too many, 16 too few.

[paul-collins]

I'm more in agreement with Lee, as I like the rotation of races. Particularly because I think there are tracks that would really showcase F1 that are unused right now.

The basic problem is the level of facilities that Bernie requires. Mosport and Ste. Jovite would be excellent for the Canadian GP, but the luxury-conscious F1 crowd would balk at leaving Montreal (although the Mont-Tremblant ski village is handy for Ste. Jovite). Similarly, Watkins Glen has no luxury in the neighbourhood. VIR doesn't even have a neighbourhood!

I'd imagine there would be loads of choppers buzzing from Toronto Island to Mosport if the race ever landed there.

That said, rotation would be a boon for the attending fans, the racing would be terrific, and the drivers would have show their ability to adjust. Friday testing would become extremely important. I'd love it!

[Lee Janotta]

The level of facilities required is the biggest problem. But since this premise is based on the idea that you're in charge of F1 instead of Max and Bernie, I say too bad to the overprivaledged elite classes if the catering isn't first-rate. It's an auto race, not a huge corporate social event. There shouldn't be walls between the blue-bloods arriving in helicopters, and people tailgaiting in the backs of rusty Ford and Chevy trucks.

Senna12, I think Portland's a nice little track, and it's very well run, being a government-owned operation which actually _makes_ money.

But it's too short for F1 at about 2 miles, minus those retarded Festival Curves.

[ASCII Man]

Am i the only one that likes Dijon Prenois?