USCC 2014 Entry List & Schedule ONLY

[Purist]

BullMan, you missed Mosport. The 2013 Sportscar calendars here include 17 venues, not 16. Therefore, to get down to 11, SIX have to be cut.

Again, the list:
1. Austin- 3.427 miles
2. Baltimore- 2.040 miles (without chicane)
3. Barber- 2.300 miles
4. Daytona- 3.560 miles
5. Detroit- 2.385 miles (long course)
6. Indianapolis- 2.534 miles
7. Kansas- 2.370 miles
8. Laguna Seca- 2.238 miles
9. Lime Rock- 1.500 miles
10. Long Beach- 1.968 miles
11. Mid Ohio- 2.258 miles
12. Mosport- 2.459 miles
13. Road America- 4.048 miles
14. Road Atlanta- 2.540 miles
15. Sebring- 3.700 miles
16. VIRginia- 3.270 miles
17. Watkins Glen- 3.400 miles

Of the alternates you mentioned, only three seem like even possibilities:
1. Mexico City- 2.747 miles
2. Miller- 4.486 miles or 3.048 miles
3. Sears Point- 2.520 miles

Bernie wouldn't allow anybody to steal his thunder in the least at New Jersey (3.200 miles). The rest are simply, probably too short for a combined field:
1. Houston- 1.700 miles
2. Portland- 1.964 miles
3. St. Petersburg- 1.800 miles
4. Toronto- 1.755 miles

The four that I think can be said are set in stone are Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, and Road Atlanta. Apart from that, you could get some pretty wild swings regarding where they go next season.

Andy, the San Jose course was bad in 2005, but was comprehensively fixed for 2006 and 2007. You ought to also take a look at the transformation the IMSA circuit in San Antonio underwent from 1987 to 1990.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Vepe

What? Where was it said that the only eligible porsche is the 991 America?

First I've heard of it also.










L.P.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Beetle

I think the main reason they dropped it was because they now don't have to deal with running split races. The fact is, Lime Rock is just too small to host a 40-50 car grid. 30 cars in the ALMS is severely pushing the envelope.

Then split the grid into 2 races. Let the P cars use the complex and GT cars use the uphill in separate races. LR is one of a kind, so use that to your advantage and EVERYONE wins.

Fact is, they have been racing sportscars at LR for quite sometime and they've made it work in the past. Besides, every real sportcars fan wants a race at Lime Rock over any roval out there.

Contracts aside, if we are not interested, we will not watch or attend. Lime Rock WILL be watched and WILL be attended, if included.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Then split the grid into 2 races. Let the P cars use the complex and GT cars use the uphill in separate races. LR is one of a kind, so use that to your advantage and EVERYONE wins.

Fact is, they have been racing sportscars at LR for quite sometime and they've made it work in the past. Besides, every real sportcars fan wants a race at Lime Rock over any roval out there.

Contracts aside, if we are not interested, we will not watch or attend. Lime Rock WILL be watched and WILL be attended, if included.

LRP is the shortest of the 17 tracks listed. The rovals are the least of it's problems.









L.P.

[Purist]

In this situation, it's kind of too bad that the Mountain Circuit was never built at Lime Rock.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Purist

In this situation, it's kind of too bad that the Mountain Circuit was never built at Lime Rock.

Yep, would have almost doubled it's length @ 2.9 vs 1.5.










L.P.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Then split the grid into 2 races. Let the P cars use the complex and GT cars use the uphill in separate races. LR is one of a kind, so use that to your advantage and EVERYONE wins.

Fact is, they have been racing sportscars at LR for quite sometime and they've made it work in the past. Besides, every real sportcars fan wants a race at Lime Rock over any roval out there.

Contracts aside, if we are not interested, we will not watch or attend. Lime Rock WILL be watched and WILL be attended, if included.

While two races sound good in theory, that would race the question of which races would get live TV - or TV at all. Last time Grand Am ran split races, the GT-races got the Conti-challenge one week delayed slot and Conti got nothing...

The only Porsche eligible for GTD next year is the 991 America. So any of the existing ALMS GTC teams and additional teams will all have to buy the new car. The only 997 that is eligible to run is the RSR in GTLM. According to sources at Porsche Motorsport NA there will only be approx 15 Americas built for GTD next year!

Nope, sales goal for the GT-America is 30 cars as per this article - also, Grand Am always had very generous grandfathering rules (3 years plus) and with GTD actually being slower than current GAGT, getting the current 997s competitive should not be much of an issue.

[morningview66]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Nope, sales goal for the GT-America is 30 cars as per this article - also, Grand Am always had very generous grandfathering rules (3 years plus) and with GTD actually being slower than current GAGT, getting the current 997s competitive should not be much of an issue.

Im confused as anything as to how they are going to balance the GTD class next year and what is going to be allowed to compete.

Especially on the Porsche front there seems to be about 4 possibly eligible Porsches next year.
The new GT America, the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car which is what i believe currently runs in ALMS GTC, the current Grand-Am Porsche GT 911 GT3 (not sure what this car is. Is it maybe the Cup car of FIA GT3 car?) and then FIA GT3 homologated Porsche 997 GT3 R.

Surely there is going to be big difficulty balancing especially if FIA GT3 cars are allowed to race which can produce lap times not far off LMGT (FIA GTE) cars?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by morningview66

the current Grand-Am Porsche GT 911 GT3 (not sure what this car is. Is it maybe the Cup car of FIA GT3 car?)

Grand-Am 911 is currently a mish-mash of Cup body, Grand-Am spec aero and mechanicals derived from both the GT3-R and the RSR I believe.

[morningview66]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Grand-Am 911 is currently a mish-mash of Cup body, Grand-Am spec aero and mechanicals derived from both the GT3-R and the RSR I believe.

So essentially disregarding the new Porsche 911 RSR (Type 991) this years Le Mans car, there were three existing Porsches.
911 GT3 RSR (Type 997) - FIA GTE/GT2 regs
911 GT3 R (Type 997) - FIA GT3 regs
911 GT3 Cup (Type 997/991) - For porsche supercup and national porsche cups

The Alms GTC car is the 911 GT3 Cup while the Grand-Am Porsche was a mix up of all 3 with Grand-Am aero?

I think i have that right and the new Porsche 911 GT America is based on the new 991 shape Porsche cup car (probably with extra bits + grand-am aero)?

So its essentially a replacement for the current Grand-Am GT Porsche. But what i still don't understand now is which Porsche will be eligible to compete next year, will the guys currently running Grand-Am Porsches and Porsche Cup cars need to buy new cars to compete?

[Koenigsegg]

Last year you had:
Porsche 991 RSR (GTE)
Porsche 997 GT3 RSR (GTE-Am)
Porsche 997 GT3 R (FIA GT3)
Porsche 991 GT3 Cup (Porsche Supercup)
Porsche 997 GT3 Cup (ALMS GTC + various national series)
Porsche 997 GT3 Grand Am Cup (Grand-Am GT)
Porsche 997 GT4 (FIA GT4)

Next year:
Porsche 991 GT America (GTD)

I'm not sure if Porsche is producing a new FIA GT3 car based on the 991 model and if the GTE is still called the 991 RSR instead of 991 GT3 RSR.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Koenigsegg

Last year you had:
Porsche 991 RSR (GTE)
Porsche 997 GT3 RSR (GTE-Am)
Porsche 997 GT3 R (FIA GT3)
Porsche 991 GT3 Cup (Porsche Supercup)
Porsche 997 GT3 Cup (ALMS GTC + various national series)
Porsche 997 GT3 Grand Am Cup (Grand-Am GT)
Porsche 997 GT4 (FIA GT4)

Next year:
Porsche 991 GT America (GTD)

I'm not sure if Porsche is producing a new FIA GT3 car based on the 991 model and if the GTE is still called the 991 RSR instead of 991 GT3 RSR.

The next (991-based) FIA GT3 car is likely another year off from what I remember.

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by morningview66

Especially on the Porsche front there seems to be about 4 possibly eligible Porsches next year.
The new GT America, the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car which is what i believe currently runs in ALMS GTC, the current Grand-Am Porsche GT 911 GT3 (not sure what this car is. Is it maybe the Cup car of FIA GT3 car?) and then FIA GT3 homologated Porsche 997 GT3 R.

The 997 GT3 R will not be eligible for USCR next year.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Purist

BullMan, you missed Mosport. The 2013 Sportscar calendars here include 17 venues, not 16. Therefore, to get down to 11, SIX have to be cut.

Again, the list:
1. Austin- 3.427 miles
2. Baltimore- 2.040 miles (without chicane)
3. Barber- 2.300 miles
4. Daytona- 3.560 miles
5. Detroit- 2.385 miles (long course)
6. Indianapolis- 2.534 miles
7. Kansas- 2.370 miles
8. Laguna Seca- 2.238 miles
9. Lime Rock- 1.500 miles
10. Long Beach- 1.968 miles
11. Mid Ohio- 2.258 miles
12. Mosport- 2.459 miles
13. Road America- 4.048 miles
14. Road Atlanta- 2.540 miles
15. Sebring- 3.700 miles
16. VIRginia- 3.270 miles
17. Watkins Glen- 3.400 miles

Of the alternates you mentioned, only three seem like even possibilities:
1. Mexico City- 2.747 miles
2. Miller- 4.486 miles or 3.048 miles
3. Sears Point- 2.520 miles

Bernie wouldn't allow anybody to steal his thunder in the least at New Jersey (3.200 miles). The rest are simply, probably too short for a combined field:
1. Houston- 1.700 miles
2. Portland- 1.964 miles
3. St. Petersburg- 1.800 miles
4. Toronto- 1.755 miles

The four that I think can be said are set in stone are Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, and Road Atlanta. Apart from that, you could get some pretty wild swings regarding where they go next season.

Andy, the San Jose course was bad in 2005, but was comprehensively fixed for 2006 and 2007. You ought to also take a look at the transformation the IMSA circuit in San Antonio underwent from 1987 to 1990.

Er, that was my post, not BullMan's. Taking credit where it's due, as they say.

St. Pete had a very successful few years of ALMS and IndyCar still goes there so I don't see that as being completely out of the question. Plus, the track is ultra wide going into turn 1 and wouldn't cause as many problems as Long Beach, Baltimore, or even Detroit.

[Purist]

My bad on that mix-up.

As for Turn 1 at St. Petersburg, it's similar to Edmonton or Cleveland, though not quite so extremely wide on the entry. However, you might want to look back on some of the previous races.

Here's IndyCar from 2011:
Start-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYpTyhtZcg
Full Race-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19CcQp5d6s

Having the width on the way in, and even, in theory, at the apex, can actually be a problem in cases where there really is just the one viable line all the way through the corner. If you know you're going to be hung out if you're even just in the second lane out, you're going to try to get to that inside, best line, and this causes incidents, whether the track is 40ft or 100ft wide at that corner.

[Dodge_Swinger]

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

[dxk1]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

After this weekends disasters, it is not surprising.

DK

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

Does not break my heart, at all!








L.P.

[fanta4]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

He may be reporting it, but is it actually factual?

"The new United Sports Car Racing series has already said that they won't be back to Baltimore under any circumstances."

[MoMedic9019]

It's going to be 11 rounds, just a matter of which current tracks remain.

[extramundane]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

If he's reporting it, I half expect the series to announce a 5yr extension with Baltimore tomorrow.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Swinger

Peter De Lorenzo is reporting that USCR will not return to Baltimore in any form.
www.autoextremist.com

[The Happy Track Fan]

Originally Posted by Purist

BullMan, you missed Mosport. The 2013 Sportscar calendars here include 17 venues, not 16. Therefore, to get down to 11, SIX have to be cut.

Again, the list:
1. Austin- 3.427 miles
2. Baltimore- 2.040 miles (without chicane)
3. Barber- 2.300 miles
4. Daytona- 3.560 miles
5. Detroit- 2.385 miles (long course)
6. Indianapolis- 2.534 miles
7. Kansas- 2.370 miles
8. Laguna Seca- 2.238 miles
9. Lime Rock- 1.500 miles
10. Long Beach- 1.968 miles
11. Mid Ohio- 2.258 miles
12. Mosport- 2.459 miles
13. Road America- 4.048 miles
14. Road Atlanta- 2.540 miles
15. Sebring- 3.700 miles
16. VIRginia- 3.270 miles
17. Watkins Glen- 3.400 miles

Of the alternates you mentioned, only three seem like even possibilities:
1. Mexico City- 2.747 miles
2. Miller- 4.486 miles or 3.048 miles
3. Sears Point- 2.520 miles

Bernie wouldn't allow anybody to steal his thunder in the least at New Jersey (3.200 miles). The rest are simply, probably too short for a combined field:
1. Houston- 1.700 miles
2. Portland- 1.964 miles
3. St. Petersburg- 1.800 miles
4. Toronto- 1.755 miles

The four that I think can be said are set in stone are Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, and Road Atlanta. Apart from that, you could get some pretty wild swings regarding where they go next season.

Andy, the San Jose course was bad in 2005, but was comprehensively fixed for 2006 and 2007. You ought to also take a look at the transformation the IMSA circuit in San Antonio underwent from 1987 to 1990.

The Toronto Sun reported on the Friday before the Mosport ALMS race that Mosport (CTMP) was sent the documents and contracts to sign for a 2013 round, and all they had to do was sign them and make it official. According to the Sun, Mosport is on the 2013 schedule.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by The Happy Track Fan

The Toronto Sun reported on the Friday before the Mosport ALMS race that Mosport (CTMP) was sent the documents and contracts to sign for a 2013 round, and all they had to do was sign them and make it official. According to the Sun, Mosport is on the 2013 schedule.

Exactly, mosport was on the 2013 schedule!

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by joeb

Exactly, mosport was on the 2013 schedule!

You know darn well that the paperwork in question was for 2014 and from the USCR.










L.P.