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Old 22 Nov 2013, 00:08 (Ref:3334996)   #26
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 00:48 (Ref:3335005)   #27
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All of those shots are on that very small section that goes off of the coastal highway. It looks like that portion of the course will be essentially single-file, with minimal temptation to try a low-percentage overtaking maneuver. The rest of the track is reasonably wide and very quick.

I'm not sure how accurate that track map is; the simulations show no extra chicane before the track leaves the coastal highway. They also show a second chicane on the run down to the round-a-bout in the lower-left of the picture.

I think the chicane I have seen right before the traffic circle makes some sense. The one before that, on the exit of that long, right-hander, seems unnecessary and detrimental to the overtaking potential of the circuit.
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 14:30 (Ref:3335219)   #28
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can we move this year's race items to the appropriate topic please.
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 14:43 (Ref:3335224)   #29
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 14:54 (Ref:3335227)   #30
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So apparently no Live Timing and Scoring for practice, one-hour qualifying Saturday at 7:15 a.m. ET, and two one-hour races Sunday, 12:45 a.m. ET and 4 a.m. ET.
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Old 22 Nov 2013, 15:28 (Ref:3335236)   #31
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Four hours between english time and Baku's:

ET=EuroT +1=CET+1

ET=UTC

EuroT = UTC+1 = CET

Azerbaijan = UTC+4 = Local

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

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Old 23 Nov 2013, 00:30 (Ref:3335440)   #32
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Four hours between english time and Baku's:

ET=EuroT +1=CET+1

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EuroT = UTC+1 = CET

Azerbaijan = UTC+4 = Local

http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/
Official timetables says 30 minutes before for qrace:

Qualifying
Saturday, 23 Nov

16:15 - 17:15 LOCAL
12:15 - 13:15 GMT CENTRAL EUROPE

Qualifying Race
Sunday, 24 Nov

09:45 - 10:45 LOCAL
05:45 - 06:45 GMT CENTRAL EUROPE

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Sunday, 24 Nov

13:00 - 14:00 LOCAL
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 07:45 (Ref:3335559)   #33
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Seems the timetable is somewhat moot now anyway...
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 12:36 (Ref:3335647)   #34
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Apparently qualifying starts 30 minutes late but is cut in half--two 15-minute sessions.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 12:47 (Ref:3335651)   #35
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Video is really choppy which is a shame because it looks like a fun course.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 13:01 (Ref:3335656)   #36
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JFE, I took a look at some video of the BTCC at Rockingham. I think it works well for the TCs; however, they don't have the power ior the aero, and in many cases, they can put their cars pretty much where they want.

With these aero-equipped GTs running 500-560-hp, the drivers would spend most of the infield just trying to set up for the next corner, rather than worrying about overtaking the guy ahead. The GT3s would certainly be able to overtake at the hairpin (or double-ninety) following Turn 1. Maybe they could manage something in the corners leading on to or off of the infield pit straight, but I wouldn't just count on it. Another thing to keep in mind is that the gearing, and likely the aero as well, will be skewed by how much how much of the lap is taken up by that section on the oval. (You'd make 6th gear on the oval section, but might no even snatch 5th gear anywhere through the infield.)

The short Motorcycle Circuit at Rockingham, the layout that BTCC uses, just with the banking instead of the chicane at Turn 1, is fairly small for an international event at 1.940 miles around.

Like a lot of road racing enthusiasts, I'm just not the biggest fan of rovals. There are exceptions, of course, but too many courses of that type are just too tight, fiddly, and flat to really be enjoyable. (I've watched coverage of races from the rovals at Rockingham, Lausitzring, Pocono, Charlotte, Atlanta, Daytona, Homestead, Indianapolis, Iowa, Kansas, Texas Motor Speedway, Texas World Speedway, Phoenix, and Fontana.)

Apart from that, there's the tire issue, which ALMS had trouble with, particularly at Texas in 2001, and WTCC did last year at Salzburgring, which isn't even a roval.
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Old 24 Nov 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3336164)   #38
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FYI: British GT races at Rockingham every year, and I don't recall any particular problems...
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Old 24 Nov 2013, 21:16 (Ref:3336170)   #39
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Was the FIA GT so bad in 2008? If he wanted a single class, he could have said "we will switch to GT2 in 2010", and keep the race format unchanged.
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Was the FIA GT so bad in 2008? If he wanted a single class, he could have said "we will switch to GT2 in 2010", and keep the race format unchanged.
Well, GT1 was on its last leg, and Ratel (for whom GT2 never seemed to be more than a red-headed step-child) decided to try to safe the GT1-cars by making the races more marketable... didn't work out in the end, but of course hindsight is 20/20, and we had some pretty darn good racing along the way.
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FYI: British GT races at Rockingham every year, and I don't recall any particular problems...
I have seen good races there too. Is also very fan friendly because you can watch all the action from the grandstand and be under roof if it rains.
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It's not that I think there will necessarily be more problems, but I consider the Brands Hatch GP Circuit to be the better track for the higher-powered cars.

I took a look at some amateur video shot back in May of British GT at Rockingham. The first lap was a bit ridiculous with 32 or 33 cars all trying to thread their way through the infield. They were using the long Motorcycle Circuit, but with the banking instead of the Turn 1 chicane. That layout comes out to 2.050 miles around.

There is a critical distinction to be made between British GT and FIA GT though, besides the relative level of the series. That difference is, FIA GT is all GT3 cars, whereas British GT has multiple classes of cars running at once. The inter-class traffic creates passing opportunities that simply would not exist in a single-class setting.

Again, I just find Brands Hatch to be a much more exciting prospect to have on the FIA GT calendar when compared to Rockingham.
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Navarra switched to Zolder:

http://www.blancpain-endurance-serie...-2014-calendar

For those interested why, Navarra track on spain costs an upkeep of 3M€ a year and of course (Typical here in Spain) it was Local Navarra public infraestructure bearing with those costs, the track is being sold, so they are cutting the costs.
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Isn't that with many tracks and events in Spain? For many years local and regional governments have funded building tracks and hosting events but now with empty pockets (or no subsidy from the EU ) that has come to and end.
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There's like 50 international airports in Spain. There are well known cases of brand new ones being inactive.

It's plain old politicians. Everyone wants a MotoGP race, everyone wants a Primera DivisiĆ³n club, everyone wants a 300-metre building.
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There's like 50 international airports in Spain. There are well known cases of brand new ones being inactive.

It's plain old politicians. Everyone wants a MotoGP race, everyone wants a Primera DivisiĆ³n club, everyone wants a 300-metre building.
Mainly, crisis with Spain is because of corruption, those city mayors permitted or gave builder companies Big infraestructures (In exchange on undeclared commisions as % big as those big constructions) Youngsters left studiing to go to easy money in construction, all worked until the credit of banks dissapeared, so no more construction, people stopped working and so tax revenues and then here we are big debts and big infraestructures.

For me those infraestructures aren't the problem, maybe a good management can find with low cost air companies a use, and if not dismantled can have a future use when surrounding towns grow, but few are dismantled or sold to specullators cause some force periodic cost to their towns so they miss-sell or badly-sell to avoid mainteinance costs, closing the circle of the threw of public money by losing control of the infraestructure.

The shame here is politicalls here cover themselves, when they are judged guilty the negotiate absolution

of corruption cases with the other wing political party. Thats why for next ellections in spain will flee the vote from both traditional parties.
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The fact is politics haven't paid the crisis, is people, spain has one of the bigest % of public workers, the Rajoys party promised to reduce that %, but the cuts have gone to education and health, it's a shame, because even the country now working a little better, they haven't paid nothing.

In terms of European funds, mostly in agriculture, tough also in every infraestructure (as noted before) afect the part of Spain more lower to the "Duero" (Andalucia) that's why now the Catalan Nationalists blame Spain of their problems, while they have been voting the left wing parties (Endemic in Andalucia), that maintained those subsidies, all those years.

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Anyway I see a good thing if they cannot aford a track not wasting public money, I see here first stages of wasting correctly money thought I want to remember to all of you here the pasion with automotive has grown quite here, and with Ferrari's bad results with Alonso, people have looked to other motorsports competition, until the last year the Navarra fia GT round worked properlly, and they have never hosted the F1, the big waste.

I don't see a big problems with so many tracks in Spain, most European teams come to Spain to make the winter training or car shows because of the good weather, so those tracks are not such as big money throwers as some may think.
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I've heard that Spanish tracks make more money with testing and track days than with events.

One of the big issues with Spanish tracks is the complete lack of good national championships to keep the weekends busy. As far as I know the only national championships are the CER (Open endurance) and the Spanish GT. Spanish federation has done a very poor job promoting internally the spanish motorsport during the Alonso years. When Alonso will retire Spain will be mostly a motorsport desert (Sainz Jr is the big hope). It's terrible because good drivers like Hernandez, Jaime Alguersuari, Albert Costa, Borja Garcia or Javi Villa cannot find a national championship to continue. In the 90's Albacete, Jordi Gene or Campos found a place in the Spanish Touring championship, now that door is closed.

Navarra is in North Spain, the climate is not so friendly than in Monteblanco, Jerez or Cheste and teams can find temperatures below zero in winter ( this happened to AF Corse in Aragon last winter ).
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Navarra is in North Spain, the climate is not so friendly than in Monteblanco, Jerez or Cheste and teams can find temperatures below zero in winter ( this happened to AF Corse in Aragon last winter ).
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