Pierre Gasly/the pope at Renault? - Page 6

cds_uk · 5 Nov 2016, 13:05 (Ref:3685485)

I hardly think Gasly is in the same class as Vandoorne, it's dodgy move for him but what choice does he have, if he knuckles down and rises to the challenge then fair play to him, if i was a betting man i would say he will struggle though.

gert · 5 Nov 2016, 13:15 (Ref:3685487)

It's probably a move that will show Red Bull all they need - or want - to know.

BSchneiderFan · 5 Nov 2016, 14:13 (Ref:3685496)

It's an interesting question: is it better to keep racing in Super Formula, or spend 2017 as Red Bull's tester? I'm not sure we can draw many lessons from Vandoorne, as he was pretty much guaranteed that McLaren seat anyway, whereas Gasly has to prove that he's (at least) better than Sainz or Kvyat.

S griffin · 5 Nov 2016, 14:22 (Ref:3685500)

Well it's a question, do you go down the Palmer route (reserve driver for the year in the hope of then getting promoted) or the Vandoorne route (keep yourself race fit by racing in Japan)

gert · 5 Nov 2016, 17:18 (Ref:3685549)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

... whereas Gasly has to prove that he's (at least) better than Sainz or Kvyat.

... or hope that someone leaves from Torro Rosso or the main team (to Ferrari in 2018?) and Red Bull have no other 'hot talent' in the wings.

knighty · 7 Nov 2016, 09:20 (Ref:3686173)

I must say I think Palmer has done the proverbial Paul DiResta, and in spoilt-brat fashion has talked himself out of next years drive by moaning to the press about the team, a very taboo offence for a driver to commit........his comment about "renault dont value their drivers" will have done him no favors at all.......I think Palmers best options for next year are Manor, or if he is lucky Force India......failing that I can see his dad placing him in IndyCars like he did with Justin Wilson

**chunterer** · 7 Nov 2016, 10:22 (Ref:3686199)

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Originally Posted by knighty

I must say I think Palmer has done the proverbial Paul DiResta, and in spoilt-brat fashion has talked himself out of next years drive by moaning to the press about the team, a very taboo offence for a driver to commit........his comment about "renault dont value their drivers" will have done him no favors at all.......I think Palmers best options for next year are Manor, or if he is lucky Force India......failing that I can see his dad placing him in IndyCars like he did with Justin Wilson

Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised.

If he had set the world alight this year then maybe he might have a reason to go off on one but seeing as his form yo-yo'd he would be better just keeping his head down.

However, he has still done much better than I thought he would!

knighty · 7 Nov 2016, 15:11 (Ref:3686236)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised.

If he had set the world alight this year then maybe he might have a reason to go off on one but seeing as his form yo-yo'd he would be better just keeping his head down.

However, he has still done much better than I thought he would!

Seems like the rumor mill is saying Ocon has the Force India seat tied up.......in which case its Manor for Palmer.......whichever team he does go to, they all know he has a budget behind him, so they will expect Palmer Snr to cough up a minimum of 10 million dollars of funding.......but then so does Magnussen from Jack Jones

But perhaps Renault might realize there are more Renault cars to be sold in the UK, opposed to in Denmark (where Magnusson is from) so perhaps Palmer might get the nod on the basis of being English.....performance wise I really dont think there is much between them......both have been up and down in an essentially awful car with the handling of a boat

BSchneiderFan · 7 Nov 2016, 17:05 (Ref:3686253)

Does Jonathan Palmer really have that kind of disposable cash?

peebee2 · 7 Nov 2016, 17:15 (Ref:3686255)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Does Jonathan Palmer really have that kind of disposable cash?

Well he had it for 2015/2016

Some of the sponsorship on the car comes from Palmer just as Jack & Jones pay for Magnussen

S griffin · 7 Nov 2016, 18:43 (Ref:3686277)

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Originally Posted by knighty

I must say I think Palmer has done the proverbial Paul DiResta, and in spoilt-brat fashion has talked himself out of next years drive by moaning to the press about the team, a very taboo offence for a driver to commit........his comment about "renault dont value their drivers" will have done him no favors at all.......I think Palmers best options for next year are Manor, or if he is lucky Force India......failing that I can see his dad placing him in IndyCars like he did with Justin Wilson

A driver is hardly gonna produce his best though if he's not getting the backing from the team, that's the other side to it.

knighty · 8 Nov 2016, 09:15 (Ref:3686459)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Does Jonathan Palmer really have that kind of disposable cash?

according to this he is worth 35 million dollars

http://www.celebritynetworth123.com/richest-athletes/jonathan-palmer-net-worth/

He is currently negotiating to buy Silverstone, to add to the other circuits that he already owns via Motor Sport Vision (MSV), which are Brands Hatch, Snetterton, Oulton, Cadwel, Bedfrod autodrome, he also just bough an ex french military air-base that will soon be converted to a race tack.

http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/

There also seems to be some sort of link to Comma oils, I would not be surprised if JP is on the board of directors or some way involved as they are a big sponsor of his drivers.

http://www.commaoil.com/media/view/248/1/desc

http://www.commaoil.com/latestnews/view/131

Greem · 9 Nov 2016, 10:27 (Ref:3686710)

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Originally Posted by knighty

He is currently negotiating to buy Silverstone, to add to the other circuits that he already owns via Motor Sport Vision (MSV), which are Brands Hatch, Snetterton, Oulton, Cadwel, Bedfrod autodrome, he also just bough an ex french military air-base that will soon be converted to a race tack.

Bedford Autodrome might not be for this world that much longer:

http://www.thurleighairfieldbusiness...ure-vision.htm

That's years rather than months, admittedly, and one assumes Dr Palmer will do financially rather well from the sale/redevelopment. He's still second of two options (the first being an 'international investor') for Silverstone.

All that said, I don't think Gasly has much to do with any of it

LavidaLoca · 9 Nov 2016, 10:48 (Ref:3686719)

Palmer confirmed at Renault for 2017 so end of the Thread i guess

**bella** · 9 Nov 2016, 10:52 (Ref:3686722)

it'd be very interesting if they chose to lose the news about that today. it'd say a lot about why they've gone in that direction.

peebee2 · 9 Nov 2016, 10:54 (Ref:3686724)

So they got together another 15m and Renault accepted. You have to say Renault played a blinder there!

I think the plan is to build houses at Bedford and relocate to Silverstone, 5hough it is interesting the BRDC seem to give everyone but JP preferred bidder status.

knighty · 9 Nov 2016, 12:55 (Ref:3686738)

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Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Palmer confirmed at Renault for 2017 so end of the Thread i guess

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37920386

From the press reports, all I can see is that its looking highly likely that Magnussen is off to HAAS, and I really cant blame him, as yet again Renault are dragging their heels.......but I dont see any confirmation of Palmer at Renault next year.......I can imagine the Plamers are very happy that Mangussen is leaving, as it leaves Joylyon as the most experienced "carry-over" driver within the Renault team......not bad!

steve_r · 9 Nov 2016, 15:51 (Ref:3686777)

Its confirmed on Autosport site.

Its been hard to shine as a driver in this years Renault, and I'm glad that both Palmer and Magnussen get to drive again in 2017.

cds_uk · 9 Nov 2016, 16:02 (Ref:3686779)

Couldn't be happier for Jo, i have argued his case all year long and i think he more than deserves it, Magnussen is a decent driver and as the season has worn on i think Jo has matched him, if the deal clincher is the good doctor finding an extra £15 million down the back of the sofa then so be it, that is the way of the sport isn't it, but as far as i am concerned he easily warrants his place on the grid on talent alone.

**bella** · 9 Nov 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3686783)

"more than deserves it" is a bit overenthusiastic. and he certainly doesn't warrant his place on talent alone. there's more talented and gifted people out there.

he's said some stuff that you know wouldn't have been uttered by someone like vandoorne who doesn't have the luxury of a rich daddy to cover his arse, but a british driver staying on the grid is a good thing i guess.

BSchneiderFan · 9 Nov 2016, 16:29 (Ref:3686784)

I think Palmer does deserve his place on the grid. GP2 champion, done a respectable job with a dog of a car this year, more or less matched the highly-rated Magnussen. It's good that both drivers look like they're staying in F1.

cds_uk · 9 Nov 2016, 16:33 (Ref:3686786)

Bella, i doubt we will ever see eye to eye as far as Jolyon is concerned, TenTenths is all about difference of opinion though isn't it. I take your point over some of his recent comments though, maybe due to frustration over the way Renault were dragging their heels, who knows, ill advised..... most definitely.

S griffin · 9 Nov 2016, 18:49 (Ref:3686808)

Palmer has done a good job and deserves to build on that

**bella** · 9 Nov 2016, 20:07 (Ref:3686821)

interest to see it implied that palmer was their second choice behind magnussen.

gert · 9 Nov 2016, 22:05 (Ref:3686852)

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Originally Posted by bella

interest to see it implied that palmer was their second choice behind magnussen.

I think their first choice was actually Ocon?

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