V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 34

Mr Revhead · 5 Dec 2011, 02:51 (Ref:2995322)

Great, an extra 30 mins sitting on the bank while you wait for the race to start....
Dumbest idea ever. Better to make the paddock park more like the pro V8s (Aussie) do at the GP.

But to the question about liabilities.
How do you look into who owns what? Ie who is the "company director" etc listed for the V8ST's? Doesn't that have some bearing on who is in the firing line in the event a firing squad is set up?

E36ST · 5 Dec 2011, 03:50 (Ref:2995348)

It's all on public record...

http://www.business.govt.nz/companie...panies/3124785

Directors

Christopher John ABBOTT
Residential Address: 130 Lane Road, Havelock North, Havelock North, 4130 , New Zealand
Appointment Date: 07 May 2011
Shareholder: Yes

Full legal name: Wayne ANDERSON
Residential Address: 46 Dysart Lane, Rd 1, Kumeu, 0891 , New Zealand
Appointment Date: 16 Sep 2010
Shareholder: Yes

Full legal name: John Donald MCINTYRE
Residential Address: 1431 Moutere Highway, Rd 2, Upper Moutere, 7175 , New Zealand
Appointment Date: 07 May 2011
Shareholder: Yes

Full legal name: Garry Allan PEDERSEN
Residential Address: 41b Cartwright Road, Kelston, Waitakere, 0602 , New Zealand
Appointment Date: 16 Sep 2010
Shareholder: Yes

Full legal name: Mark James Wayne PETCH
Residential Address: Flat 3a, 138 St Stephens Avenue, Parnell, Auckland, 1052 , New Zealand
Appointment Date: 16 Sep 2010
Shareholder: Yes

Shareholders

Total Number of Shares:878 Extensive Shareholding:No
Shareholders in Allocation:

Allocation 1:126 shares
Mark James Wayne PETCH
Flat 3a, 138 St Stephens Avenue, Parnell, Auckland, 1052 , New Zealand
Director:Yes

Allocation 2:126 shares
Garry Allan PEDERSEN
41b Cartwright Road, Kelston, Waitakere, 0602 , New Zealand
Director:Yes

Allocation 3:126 shares
Wayne ANDERSON
46 Dysart Lane, Rd 1, Kumeu, 0891 , New Zealand
Director:Yes

Allocation 4:125 shares
Christopher John ABBOTT
130 Lane Road, Havelock North, Havelock North, 4130 , New Zealand
Director:Yes

Allocation 5:125 shares
John Donald MCINTYRE
1431 Moutere Highway, Rd 2, Upper Moutere, 7175 , New Zealand
Director:Yes

Allocation 6:125 shares
Paul Alexander CEPRNICH
12 Kintail Lane, Coomera Waters, Queensland, 4209 , Australia

Allocation 7:125 shares
Wayne Robert David MCLAUGHLIN
29 Coomera Court, Helensvale, Gold Coast, Queensland, 4210 , Australia

KLR93 · 6 Dec 2011, 05:17 (Ref:2995864)

Hey 30 minutes to get in the hotdog line or watch some skid cars!

Anyway the building up to V8supercar races is about that long...

Goat Boy · 7 Dec 2011, 06:28 (Ref:2996293)

Well it looks like the V8 Supercars are on their way out of here - which could work very nicely for the V8ST's...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...ear-extinction

Or is TC just blowing smoke to get more Government money?

smokin'joe · 7 Dec 2011, 07:01 (Ref:2996298)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Well it looks like the V8 Supercars are on their way out of here - which could work very nicely for the V8ST's...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...ear-extinction

Or is TC just blowing smoke to get more Government money?

the latter, i suspect.
didn't TC state earlier he wanted a street race to replace Hamilton ??

on_to_it · 7 Dec 2011, 09:24 (Ref:2996330)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Or is TC just blowing smoke to get more Government money?

Exactly my thoughts as I commented on another thread - "V8SC will use this publicity to prod it's NZ fan-base, with the objective of drumming up enough support for another venue with ratepayers and taxpayers covering the cost."

GizzFan · 7 Dec 2011, 17:34 (Ref:2996580)

Quote:

Originally Posted by on_to_it

Exactly my thoughts as I commented on another thread - "V8SC will use this publicity to prod it's NZ fan-base, with the objective of drumming up enough support for another venue with ratepayers and taxpayers covering the cost."

Yep I agree 100%, and even though Revhead strongly disagree's that the V8ST can take up the slack, I think given a little time, that they will, because they will eventually get the big names to their 500k race, the week after VESA Goldcoast race.

Frankly i dont give a dam about what engines in what car, dont even really care if the cars look 100% the same, like Nascars do, I follow my hero's, whatever they drive. That why I follow the Gizz, because to me he's just a hard out racer end of story.

Mr Revhead · 7 Dec 2011, 18:46 (Ref:2996616)

The general public are not like that though.
And motorsport in NZ needs to sell itself to the level of fans below us devout racing worshipers.

Tier 1 died. Why? It was made up of spec classes the above mentioned level of fan found boring. V8ST will be the same. Just maybe a little faster.

GizzFan · 7 Dec 2011, 19:37 (Ref:2996642)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

The general public are not like that though.
And motorsport in NZ needs to sell itself to the level of fans below us devout racing worshipers.

Tier 1 died. Why? It was made up of spec classes the above mentioned level of fan found boring. V8ST will be the same. Just maybe a little faster.

Totally disagree, u just trying to put the new cars down, u just dont get it do u, its not about engines or badges its about "Stars" always has been always will be.

Mr Revhead · 7 Dec 2011, 20:13 (Ref:2996663)

I see. Sorry I am wrong. Tier 1 died because it had no stars.
Had nothing to do with boring races with identical cars.

on_to_it · 7 Dec 2011, 20:22 (Ref:2996671)

I don't follow you at all. Some of the best racing I've ever seen has been in classes with true parity where it's down to the setup and the driver. Door-to-door, three wide, all of them busting their balls to get ahead. So tell me, what ingredients make a non-boring race?

Mr Revhead · 7 Dec 2011, 20:31 (Ref:2996679)

And what classes are there like that? Not the Swifts after the 2nd lap.
The Minis? oh wait....

on_to_it · 7 Dec 2011, 20:37 (Ref:2996684)

We must be watching different stuff. But I'm still interested in an answer, what ingredients make a non-boring race?

Mr Revhead · 7 Dec 2011, 20:40 (Ref:2996685)

Variety.
Loud exciting cars that do not all look the same that are not strung out over a lap after 3 laps.
Cars that move around a bit and are not over aero'd

now, what are you referring to when you say:
"Door-to-door, three wide, all of them busting their balls to get ahead"
Because that also is needed.

Ugy · 7 Dec 2011, 20:41 (Ref:2996686)

Cockrane might be after Govt money, GMH are certainly after more

Ugy · 7 Dec 2011, 20:49 (Ref:2996695)

GT racing with a reverse grid or handicaps, Clone racing is like F1 boring as snail ****

on_to_it · 7 Dec 2011, 20:55 (Ref:2996699)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Variety.
Loud exciting cars that do not all look the same that are not strung out over a lap after 3 laps.
Cars that move around a bit and are not over aero'd

now, what are you referring to when you say:
"Door-to-door, three wide, all of them busting their balls to get ahead"
Because that also is needed.

I've seen plenty of that in Formula Fords, Swifts, PRS (not TRS) and NZV8's. They all move around a bit and none of them are over aero'd. All classes spread out after a few laps because the good guys bolt away at the front and the rest do their best to keep up. Personally I want to watch good close racing and I don't care too much which class provides it. Hell, I can go to a kart track on a Sunday and watch some brilliant stuff!

Mr Revhead · 7 Dec 2011, 20:58 (Ref:2996700)

That is because you are a die hard racing fan.
I am too. I enjoy most of those as well.
How ever we are not the target audience. That is the next level or two down.
There are not enough of us in NZ to make things work so we need to attract more people.

Goat Boy · 7 Dec 2011, 23:44 (Ref:2996787)

I think we are all missing one other vital ingredient here - speed. I don't mind parity, as long as it's fast. The good drivers and teams will always get to the front anyway.

None of the Tier 1 classes were spectacularly fast, (Toyotas not included as they were not always at the Tier 1 meets) and the Production Series, Swifts, Minis and V8 Utes were spectacularly SLOW! At least the NZV8's were loud, and looked pretty good but they were pedestrian down the back straight of Pukekohe.

But I also like one-off classes like the SuperGT's of old, and the Pre-65's and of course the wonderful Formula 5000's. You can have a lot of fun with reverse handicap starts and the like if the cars are not all the same.

If you have a parity type class, then the only things you need are spectacular speed and the ability to overtake. I don't know how the V8ST's will shape up on the overtaking front, but they certainly look the money speed-wise and they make a great noise!

on_to_it · 8 Dec 2011, 01:16 (Ref:2996816)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I think we are all missing one other vital ingredient here - speed. I don't mind parity, as long as it's fast.

If you have a parity type class, then the only things you need are spectacular speed and the ability to overtake. I don't know how the V8ST's will shape up on the overtaking front, but they certainly look the money speed-wise and they make a great noise!

I agree and have made that point but on another thread - "From reading a lot of posts on several threads, it seems to me that NZST will provide what a lot of people want to see. Big hairy loud V8's (a field of them will sound unreal), current Ford vs Holden models, the top NZ drivers that were in Tier 1 the past season (they all have substantial followings and Murph still pulls a crowd), and fast close racing. Let's just see how Round One goes!"

GizzFan · 8 Dec 2011, 06:53 (Ref:2996854)

Quote:

Originally Posted by on_to_it

I agree and have made that point but on another thread - "From reading a lot of posts on several threads, it seems to me that NZST will provide what a lot of people want to see. Big hairy loud V8's (a field of them will sound unreal), current Ford vs Holden models, the top NZ drivers that were in Tier 1 the past season (they all have substantial followings and Murph still pulls a crowd), and fast close racing. Let's just see how Round One goes!"

—You and me both, give me Murph, McConville, McLaughan, McIntyre,Baird, Booth, Scott, knight, and the likes of stalwarts like Paul Manuell etc in seriously fast car, making 7 litres of pure adrenaline, noise to die for and the like's of the —various knockers, well known for the negativity to anything V8ST, can eat humble pie yea.

brown dog · 8 Dec 2011, 07:13 (Ref:2996861)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GizzFan

—You and me both, give me Murph, McConville, McLaughan, McIntyre,Baird, Booth, Scott, knight, and the likes of stalwarts like Paul Manuell etc in seriously fast car, making 7 litres of pure adrenaline, noise to die for and the like's of the —various knockers, well known for the negativity to anything V8ST, can eat humble pie yea.

Great to have you on board Gizzfan!

Things have been a little dull around here since the demise of our friend NZSTfan

on_to_it · 8 Dec 2011, 09:05 (Ref:2996892)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brown dog

Things have been a little dull around here since the demise of our friend NZSTfan

As Tom Blackaller once said to Dennis Conner when he made a 'famous' accusation "Uh oh, you shouldn't have said that"

brown dog · 8 Dec 2011, 10:00 (Ref:2996919)

Quote:

Originally Posted by on_to_it

As Tom Blackaller once said to Dennis Conner when he made a 'famous' accusation "Uh oh, you shouldn't have said that"

What accusation?

I was merely conveying a warm welcome to the new person who has just entered the building!

on_to_it · 8 Dec 2011, 18:36 (Ref:2997133)

Of course you were, my apologies. How cynical of me.

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