USCC 2014 Entry List & Schedule ONLY - Page 70

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 20:02 (Ref:3332687)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

L.P.

It's ok to be wrong.

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 20:04 (Ref:3332688)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

That concept has gone right out of the window the moment they made the M3 (let alone the Z4) competitive against the 458... The Subaru, Hyundai, Camaro and Mustang are exactly the cars BMW should race against with the Z4. By not having a class for this kind of cars, you force them into exactly the kind of catch all classes that have supercars running against sedans and entry level roadsters.

Nobody is going to cross-shop a Mustang or Camaro with a Z4. Mustangs and Camaros are not GT cars or even sports cars and don't belong in a top-flight GT class.

HORNDAWG · 17 Nov 2013, 20:04 (Ref:3332689)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

It's ok to be wrong.

That's big to admit it!

L.P.

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 20:04 (Ref:3332690)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

That's big to admit it!

L.P.

lol

Keep on digging that hole.

Speed-King · 17 Nov 2013, 20:05 (Ref:3332691)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

No, it was just branded a BMW because of the block Dinan chose. After the fact BMW has gotten in on the advertising side of things.

It was branded BMW because 1) it was a BMW-engine and 2) because GA only ever allowed OEM branding on their engines.

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 20:06 (Ref:3332693)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

It was branded BMW because 1) it was a BMW-engine and 2) because GA only ever allowed OEM branding on their engines.

It was a BMW block. That's it. Like a Judd engine.

freeballin · 17 Nov 2013, 20:14 (Ref:3332698)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

It was a BMW block. That's it. Like a Judd engine.

Those BMW engineers were wasting their time at the track all this time then. Someone should have told them.

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 20:18 (Ref:3332699)

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Originally Posted by freeballin

Those BMW engineers were wasting their time at the track all this time then. Someone should have told them.

They aren't there anymore. Nobody is running a Dinan engine now.

Speed-King · 17 Nov 2013, 20:24 (Ref:3332700)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Mustangs and Camaros are not GT cars or even sports cars

Neither is the Z4.

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and don't belong in a top-flight GT class.

And neither does the Z4. That's why I am calling for a class for entry level performance cars. Having two classes for pretty much the same models of cars is a wasted opportunity at having a more diverse field and more manufacturer involvement.

FstrthnU · 17 Nov 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3332711)

http://www.racer.com/spanish-gt-cham...rticle/321357/
Isaac Tumumlu in the Starworks PC car

BullMan · 17 Nov 2013, 21:33 (Ref:3332731)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Neither is the Z4.

And neither does the Z4. That's why I am calling for a class for entry level performance cars. Having two classes for pretty much the same models of cars is a wasted opportunity at having a more diverse field and more manufacturer involvement.

That class is called the GS class in Continental Challenge or Pirelli World Challenge.

Mechanic Z · 17 Nov 2013, 21:41 (Ref:3332739)

Battery Tender now sponsoring the BMWs. (Beneath the door.)

Image from RACER

Koenigsegg · 17 Nov 2013, 22:25 (Ref:3332762)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

The Japanese programs have no impact whatsoever on potential US-programs, I am not sure why you'd bring that up here.

Used it as an example that there are racing versions of these cars made by the manufacturer.

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Huh? I am pretty sure the US are the biggest market for each of those models. Unless you refer to the racing market, but the lack of that market is exactly the point I am trying to make here...

Yeah sorry, I meant racing market. There is indeed a lack of that market in US. But if that market will ever be created, it probably won't be very popular. 1: There already are 2 big GT markets in US, GTLM and GTD. 2: That market does exist in Europe, which is GT4. GT4 is not popular in Europe.

Talking about GT4. Camaro, Mustang, GT86, MX5, V8 Vantage, Porsche 911, 370Z, Corvette and M3 are already in GT4. Audi planned to build a GT4 version of the TT, it never happened. The Z4 M Coupe used to race in GT4. Although there is potential for a huge variety, it isn't popular.

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

I am pretty sure, I said "for example"... there are plenty of other small sportscar manufacturers that right now don't really have a place to play in either GTE ( due to the big factories' development budgets) or GTD (big manufacturers vetoing anything that might threaten their customer car sales). Which really is quite shame, as the little cars that could have always been the favorites of many fans.

I'm also using them as an example. Small sportscar manufacturers are either bankrupt or on the verge of bankruptcy nowadays. The smallest manufacturers that I can think of at the moment which have a GT3 car are McLaren and Lamborghini (by Reiter). Small manufacturer need to have at least some budget to develop a GTE/GT3 car, and at the moment they don't have a budget. This is my assumption of course, I could be wrong.

polishboy808 · 17 Nov 2013, 22:34 (Ref:3332765)

Did Marsh run today? On Saturday I saw them setting up, but they started by removing the Corvette branding off that car, not really sure why.

The new Corvette DPs look and sound amazing. The new diffusers are insane, and you can tell they really needed to speed them up because of all the new little aero bits on them. The DPs finally look like proper race cars

kingers · 17 Nov 2013, 22:47 (Ref:3332769)

Isaac Tutumlu

" His success in car racing includes winning a number of championships such as the Nissan 350Z Challenge, Open Prototype in Spain, Winter European Radical Series, International GT Open, IberGT, Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup, and many more."

?? Supercup?

AFC-911 · 17 Nov 2013, 23:08 (Ref:3332781)

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Originally Posted by polishboy808

Did Marsh run today? On Saturday I saw them setting up, but they started by removing the Corvette branding off that car, not really sure why.

The new Corvette DPs look and sound amazing. The new diffusers are insane, and you can tell they really needed to speed them up because of all the new little aero bits on them. The DPs finally look like proper race cars

Yes, they got down to 1:55.6xx as their fastest lap time.

I can dig the Corvette DPs. Sort of reminds me of the old GT1 days.

JHamilton · 17 Nov 2013, 23:29 (Ref:3332784)

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Originally Posted by AFC-911

I can dig the Corvette DPs. Sort of reminds me of the old GT1 days.

For all intensive purposes, that's what they are.

cmk · 18 Nov 2013, 00:08 (Ref:3332794)

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Originally Posted by kingers

Isaac Tutumlu

" His success in car racing includes winning a number of championships such as the Nissan 350Z Challenge, Open Prototype in Spain, Winter European Radical Series, International GT Open, IberGT, Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup, and many more."

?? Supercup?

Haha! Obviously entering Supercup is the same as winning Supercup.

ACFlinn · 18 Nov 2013, 00:12 (Ref:3332796)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

That's big to admit it!

L.P.

Andy Flinn

ACFlinn · 18 Nov 2013, 00:46 (Ref:3332816)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Nobody is going to cross-shop a Mustang or Camaro with a Z4. Mustangs and Camaros are not GT cars or even sports cars and don't belong in a top-flight GT class.

I never thought I'd see the day when someone would try to argue that Chevy Camaros and Ford Mustangs are not GT cars and do not belong in a NORTH AMERICAN GT/sports car endurance racing championship.

How sad and historically inaccurate.

Andy Flinn

BullMan · 18 Nov 2013, 01:28 (Ref:3332833)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

I never thought I'd see the day when someone would try to argue that Chevy Camaros and Ford Mustangs are not GT cars and do not belong in a NORTH AMERICAN GT/sports car endurance racing championship.

How sad and historically inaccurate.

Andy Flinn

They don't. How apt and accurate. They're heavy, ill handling pigs and they aren't sportscars. Please don't tell your NASCAR overlords on me. I think you probably need to do some research on what a GT car is. Just because in the past some people went to Home Depot and welded some metal tubing together, doesn't mean that they're suddenly sportscars and belong in an endurance series. Feel free to watch the tube framed NASCAR stock cars or the Trans-Am series if you want a collection of tubes dressed up as a "Mustang" or "Camaro." Seems to me your beloved tube-framed Grand-Am teams have rejected their archaic vehicles in favor of actual cars.

JLGarcia · 18 Nov 2013, 01:53 (Ref:3332839)

Regarding Pickett...

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the team rolled out a PC car for the test at Sebring as the first step in a possible three-class entry in TUDOR Championship competition.

I think we knew 2 classes were likely but I think this is the first 3-class mention I've seen.

Salamus · 18 Nov 2013, 01:59 (Ref:3332842)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

Regarding Pickett...

I think we knew 2 classes were likely but I think this is the first 3-class mention I've seen.

Maybe a GTD Porsche?

cmk · 18 Nov 2013, 02:03 (Ref:3332843)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

Regarding Pickett...

I think we knew 2 classes were likely but I think this is the first 3-class mention I've seen.

Just tack on the two classes that were talked about before the PC showed up.

David Land · 18 Nov 2013, 02:14 (Ref:3332845)

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Originally Posted by JLGarcia

Regarding Pickett...

I think we knew 2 classes were likely but I think this is the first 3-class mention I've seen.

Calling it:

P2 Oreca-Nissan
GTE Nissan GTR

Mark it down folks.

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