The 4x4 Rant Thread - Pulled From the £1.30 M25 Toll Thread - Page 2

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 13:07 (Ref:1744088)

I think we should arrange a 4x4 gathering in the middle of Cambridge next tuesday at 08:00am.

**Tim Falce** · 21 Oct 2006, 13:10 (Ref:1744091)

I shall drive through Cambridge on my way to and from Mallory tomorrow

luke · 21 Oct 2006, 13:12 (Ref:1744092)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

The above is only one argument of course but it shows that people must take time to assess the facts before running off at the keyboard.

Facts? It was my opinion. And above all a joke. Hence the smilie.

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Why would it be more unreliable than any other car? Also why would you think that a properly driven 4x4 will topple over? Like any vehicle you must drive it to suit the conditions.

I don't know why its is. But I remember looking at surveys once, and 4x4s were the most unreliable there is. My Dad had a land rover once, and it fell to bits all the time. A 4x4 would topple over more likely then a car. That makes it more dangerous. LOL? Like any vehicle you must drive it suit the conditions? LOL. Drive it in the country side then if you wish to go on about driving it to its conditions.

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Originally Posted by falcemob

So I'm an idiot. On what evidence do you base unreliability and toppling over easier, easier than what?

Read what I said to peter.

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Oh and them kart racers, what are they about spending daddy's cash.

You're a real funny guy. The funnier thing is, I rarely see my Dad and I pay for karting myself.

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 13:26 (Ref:1744094)

Luke,

You told us "its true" concerning your opinion so naturally I had to assume it was a fact. I apologise for misunderstanding you.

However as a new driver you'll learn that cars are driven to the conditions, not location hence the countryside is just as suitable to a 2wd car as long as its driven to suit the conditions.

Likewise a well maintained vehicle, whatever its type, is no more likely to fall apart than any other.

Still if you read it once I'm sure you are correct in all of your assertions.

Anyway I drive a 4x4 cos it really gets up the nose of misinformed muppets. And I can afford it.

**Tim Falce** · 21 Oct 2006, 13:28 (Ref:1744096)

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Originally Posted by luke

Read what I said to peter.

I'm an idiot, I can't read.

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Originally Posted by luke

your a real funny guy. The funnier thing is, I rarely see my Dad and I pay for karting myself.

Did I say Luke the kart racer?

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 13:31 (Ref:1744097)

Knowlesy · 21 Oct 2006, 14:20 (Ref:1744127)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I think the rounded off Lexus, BMW, Merc "luxury type are complete tosh. The worst is that heap of **** Porsche Cayenne.

Porsche Cayenne. My god, there is one of those at work. Every day i am tempted to run my locker key down the side, partly because it is driven by a kiss-arse man in a suit who constantly ****s on the workforce but mainly because it is a Cayenne. Why did they do it?

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

However a good practical Jeep, Disco, Nissan etc. not only does the job they are safer for the occupants in an accident (yes there are figures that prove it) although some would differ. Hence using one for the school run is in fact meeting the needs of the nanny society we live in.

Yep, that was what I emant when I understood the reasons for owning one (the safety card). It is not true for all 4x4's of course, but I'd certainly prefer to be in one in the event of a hideous accident.

Actually, I was wracking the brain there (a rare occurrence) and thought of some other 4x4's I like. The Jeep Wrangler was always rather nice in my eyes (I know it was deemed rubbish, I don't care). The Range Rover is very nice to sit in and look at. Toyota Landcruiser is OK. Never liked the Disco though, it looks horrid from the side.

Quite what these cars are like to drive I wouldn't know of course. But I doubt people buy them for driving pleasure anyways.

All in, I don't think 4x4's will kill me or make me unduly angry, like anything else they have their annoyances, but big deal.

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 14:27 (Ref:1744130)

Mine's Cherokee and a more comfortable car I've never owned.

You can't throw it round a corner like a sportscar but then it isn't built for that.

Of course the ultimate is the Landcruiser. The best for the tundra, pipeline spreads and the like, but surprisingly not so good on hills where the new Disco and the Jeep score best.

Alan Raine · 21 Oct 2006, 14:45 (Ref:1744144)

I have nothing against 4x4's but where I live there are loads of the bloody things, mainly driven by middle aged women who take up most of the road, never give way, can't park and don't give a stuff about anybody else on the road.

Driven properly by sensible people they are fine. I had to go out on a job in Wales a few months ago and was taken around my client in his new Cayenne. He knew I had done a bit of racing, so perhaps was showing off a bit, but he was

ing dangerous. They might be safer in an accident but I wouldn't like to be hit by a pratt like him.

Unfortunately sensible 4x4 drivers (like those posting here: No offence Mode

) suffer from the reputations of others.

PS the Cayenne was crap, more space in my Laguna

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 14:52 (Ref:1744148)

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Originally Posted by Alan Raine

I have nothing against 4x4's but where I live there are loads of the bloody things, mainly driven by middle aged women who take up most of the road, never give way, can't park and don't give a stuff about anybody else on the road.

Agreed and I kmade that point earlier.

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Originally Posted by Alan Raine

I had to go out on a job in Wales a few months ago and was taken around my client in his new Cayenne. He knew I had done a bit of racing, so perhaps was showing off a bit, but he was

ing dangerous. They might be safer in an accident but I wouldn't like to be hit by a pratt like him.

Hence the Cayenne. Any sensible person wouldn't be seen dead in one.

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Originally Posted by Alan Raine

PS the Cayenne was crap, more space in my Laguna

See above.

luke · 21 Oct 2006, 16:22 (Ref:1744192)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

If you seriously found that funny then well no doubt you'll laugh at this:

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Oct 2006, 16:59 (Ref:1744204)

Have I missed something? What did you post Luke?

**Craig** · 21 Oct 2006, 18:18 (Ref:1744248)

Nothing wrong with running a 4x4 just as there is nothing wrong with running a Merc or Bimmer. Personal choice innit.

I always hire a 4x4 when I am on my travels as they're so comfortable when you're doing serious mileage. And they can swallow your baggage with space to spare. Oh, and if you do choose to go off road on the spur of the moment, well they're pretty good for that also.

If and when I replace my little car I will definately be looking at a 4x4.

Mark Mitchell · 21 Oct 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1744307)

Wow!
So many stressed out posters and personal attacks (AND, I haven't even contibuted yet!)
More interestingly - All the mods seem to be getting wound up!
Where's the voice of reason?
Where's the man with the big stick?

**Tim Falce** · 21 Oct 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1744308)

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Originally Posted by Mark Mitchell

Wow!

More interestingly - All the mods seem to be getting wound up!

I think you've missed the bit about who is getting wound up

T0MAT01 · 21 Oct 2006, 20:24 (Ref:1744337)

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Originally Posted by Craig

I always hire a 4x4 when I am on my travels as they're so comfortable when you're doing serious mileage. And they can swallow your baggage with space to spare.

Yeah they're a very handy tool when abroad too.
About 10 or 12 years ago we were in France during the winter and heading back to the car ferry it snowed. Well the French seem to grit their roads with sand not salt so it done bugger all. Hey presto a couple of lorries come to a standstill and the motorway is gridlocked. We weren't sitting there while our ferry came home without us so we simply took to the grass verge. For 4 miles.
If it wasn't for our Disco we'd probably still be there now.

Sorry if we passed you sitting there in your Fiat Panda with a broken heater but we had no more room what with all the cheap booze.

**Craig** · 21 Oct 2006, 20:31 (Ref:1744340)

lol!

(Incidently, you can't do this in a Taurus!

)

**Peter Mallett** · 22 Oct 2006, 06:52 (Ref:1744629)

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Originally Posted by Mark Mitchell

Wow!
Where's the man with the big stick?

You called?

Mr V · 22 Oct 2006, 08:39 (Ref:1744706)

Each to their own imo. I have nothing against 4x4's. Don't fancy having one, but doesn't mean that others shouldn't have one if they want.

A Subaru Imprezza turbo is a 4x4, and guzzles as much gas as a Land Rover etc etc, but they are not frowned upon.

I own an A6. 1.8 Turbo, not exactly fuel efficent and a big car, but ideal for Mini V's stuff (it has a huge boot), but as it's only 2 wheel drive it seems i'm ok, silly really.

ensign14 · 22 Oct 2006, 11:13 (Ref:1744862)

When I drove back from Heathrow from my last holiday, at 10 at night, I was dazzled about 6 times on the M40.

Every time it was a 4x4 where the owner had not had the front lights set correctly. They were effectively on full beam.

I think the punishment for this should be castration and removal of 4x4 to a crusher. That'll learn 'em. If they don't know how to drive them, they should not be allowed.

And they make it more difficult for everyone else on the road. You can't see through them if you're in a proper car, not an ego extension.

blackx · 22 Oct 2006, 11:37 (Ref:1744881)

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Originally Posted by luke

Anyone who has a 4x4 and doesn't live in the country side is an idiot. lol its true.

What's teh point in having one in the city or town? Some families may say; 'oh so my kids are safe'. LOL they are unreliable as it is, juicy and above all dangerous as they can topple over easier.

What a complete and utter load of cobblers.......

blackx · 22 Oct 2006, 11:39 (Ref:1744886)

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Originally Posted by ensign14

When I drove back from Heathrow from my last holiday, at 10 at night, I was dazzled about 6 times on the M40.

Every time it was a 4x4 where the owner had not had the front lights set correctly. They were effectively on full beam.

I think the punishment for this should be castration and removal of 4x4 to a crusher. That'll learn 'em. If they don't know how to drive them, they should not be allowed.

And they make it more difficult for everyone else on the road. You can't see through them if you're in a proper car, not an ego extension.

And yet another....

**Craig** · 22 Oct 2006, 11:40 (Ref:1744887)

Should probably ban trucks and vans then, eh ensign? Try dropping back a bit and keeping your distance

ensign14 · 22 Oct 2006, 12:50 (Ref:1744941)

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Originally Posted by Craig

Should probably ban trucks and vans then, eh ensign? Try dropping back a bit and keeping your distance

How in the name of **** can I keep my distance from a car that's BEHIND me????? Drive at freaking 100+????

strider · 22 Oct 2006, 13:22 (Ref:1744966)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

A Subaru Impreza turbo is a 4x4, and guzzles as much gas as a Land Rover etc etc, but they are not frowned upon..

That's not strictly true. If you were to drive full pelt all the time it might be, but then you'd lose your licence within a week and what good would an Impreza be to you then?

I get semi-respectable figures from mine, but reserve the full pelt stuff for special occasions.

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