Is Michael Schumacher the more....

ferrarifan · 1 Jun 2005, 21:32 (Ref:1317405)

Is Michael Schmacher the more dominant participant in the history of all sports??

How many years do you think will pass to have another MSC in F1??

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Raven · 1 Jun 2005, 23:10 (Ref:1317501)

You only have to look across at MotoGP and Valentino Rossi to see a more dominating participant.

Valve Bounce · 2 Jun 2005, 04:19 (Ref:1317649)

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Originally Posted by ferrarifan

Is Michael Schmacher the more dominant participant in the history of all sports??

How many years do you think will pass to have another MSC in F1??

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Never!! God forbid!!

dcp2685 · 2 Jun 2005, 10:57 (Ref:1317884)

I think it's hard to try to compare dominating athletes from different sports because of how drastically different they are. In schumachers case, while easily the class of the field, IMO he was gifted with superior equipment on 2 or 3 of his championships and a teammate that helped him win. I don't think that takes anything away from his ability it just muddies the water a bit.

It's hard to compare Micheal to other greats in other sports such as Tiger Woods or Pete Sampras. Both of these guys, probably Pete in my mind more than Tiger, were untouchable in their respective sports. They didn't beat people, they destroyed them.

Just a few facts about Pete:
14 Grand Slams
64 Singles Titles
286 Weeks of #1 Ranking.
6 Consecutive year end #1 rankings.

Not to mention it's a sport that's one on one. No teams, completely individual which has a vastly different approach than team motorsport (especially w/ clearcut #1 and #2 drivers).

It's just hard to compare.

Liz · 2 Jun 2005, 11:06 (Ref:1317891)

No, because no matter how well he does, no one will every learn to spell M I C H A E L.

Menelaos · 2 Jun 2005, 12:21 (Ref:1317963)

MS is a huge driver, but you can't go on saying all this "dominating" stuff, because these things are also a matter of luck. If Senna had not died, maybe Schumi wouldn't be that dominant. If Hakkinen didn't have an accident back in the mid 90s, maybe Schumi wouldn't have a couple of his championships. If Schumi hadn't broken his leg back in '99, maybe he would have one more title and Mika would only have one. You can't really say. It all depends. If Kimi retired and renault made the best car, maybe Alonso will win 10 titles, or vice versa. You can never tell. It's not only because of the man, but also because of the machine that a driver wins in this sport, so you can never know when a new borring period will begin

Don K · 2 Jun 2005, 14:17 (Ref:1318102)

Hard to say.

I would think that (for instance) Raymond Ceulemans, Eddy Merckx and Eric Heiden were probably more dominant in their sport than Schumacher is in his sport.

Ceulemans and Heiden were sportsmen who could win *every* match (when they were at their top).

Whereas Merckx and Schumacher (at their top) were sportsmen who could merely win every championship. And *most matches*, rather than *all matches*.
Which is clearly a lower level of dominance than Ceulemans and Heiden.

Black_Flag · 2 Jun 2005, 14:24 (Ref:1318109)

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Originally Posted by ferrarifan

Is Michael Schmacher the more dominant participant in the history of all sports??

How many years do you think will pass to have another MSC in F1??

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I would say 2 to 3 yrs. you will see a new star named Andrew Ranger

chillibowl · 2 Jun 2005, 14:28 (Ref:1318111)

agreed with most of the points in this thread thats its hard to compare. but from a north american point of view, despite being the second highest paid athlete in the world MS doesn't get alot of respect on this side of the pond. if you take a look at the espn motorsports web site you are never going to see a pic of MS but rather a gordon(and hopefully a little more danica). unfortunalty to even be considered a dominant athlete today it doesn't matter how much you win but rather how many t-shirts you sell and MS doesn't sell himself that way - not in N.america anyways.

Oaksnaf · 2 Jun 2005, 14:33 (Ref:1318120)

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Originally Posted by Black_Flag

I would say 2 to 3 yrs. you will see a new star named Andrew Ranger

You think he will want to come to F1 from CART?

Kicking-back · 2 Jun 2005, 14:43 (Ref:1318130)

Why would he not?

The question should be - will an F1 team want him?

Alex Hodgkinson · 2 Jun 2005, 15:46 (Ref:1318173)

Agostini was much more dominant of motorcycle racing during the 60's and 70's than michael schumacher is/was of formula one.

BootsOntheSide · 2 Jun 2005, 16:47 (Ref:1318245)

Sampras isn't one of the most dominant athletes ever. He won 14 Grand Slams, but how many did he lose in that time? He's probably the greatest player tennis has ever seen, but maybe it's not a sport you can truly dominate outright. Lance Armstrong is an obvious name that comes to mind, but he has always planned his whole season around Le Tour, often choosing not to compete in the other big events.

Black_Flag · 2 Jun 2005, 17:05 (Ref:1318258)

How many tennis players vs F1 drivers?
If there was 200 F1 drivers i dont think that MS would have been so sucessful.

beau1 · 2 Jun 2005, 17:14 (Ref:1318264)

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Originally Posted by Black_Flag

How many tennis players vs F1 drivers?
If there was 200 F1 drivers i dont think that MS would have been so sucessful.

can someone please work out how many drivers Micheal has raced againest in his career in F1 .

Black_Flag · 2 Jun 2005, 17:19 (Ref:1318273)

A lot but not 200 at each race.
Or how many tennis players played in all of the Grand Slam that Sampras participate?

Red Emperor · 2 Jun 2005, 17:32 (Ref:1318283)

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Originally Posted by Black_Flag

How many tennis players vs F1 drivers?
If there was 200 F1 drivers i dont think that MS would have been so sucessful.

Stupid answer...
I gess that sampras played against all of them at once.
An F1 driver has to beat in a single "match" other 20 drivers (or more in the past).
How many tennis players does sampras beat to get to the final of a Grand Slam 5, 6, 7 ?

Black_Flag · 2 Jun 2005, 17:48 (Ref:1318300)

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Originally Posted by Red Emperor

Stupid answer...
I gess that sampras played against all of them at once.
An F1 driver has to beat in a single "match" other 20 drivers (or more in the past).
How many tennis players does sampras beat to get to the final of a Grand Slam 5, 6, 7 ?

I know but what is the pourcentage of winning a Grand Slam and a F1 G.P.
And if you want we can compare with Wayne Gretzky who played against
a lot of players...

% of winning a G.P. is around 4%
% of being the M.V.P. in the NHL is less than 0,1%

So we cant compare F1 to other sports... it is just like comparing oranges and Tood bananas.

**Adam43** · 2 Jun 2005, 17:53 (Ref:1318303)

Not stupid at all, more a discussion point.

He doesn't play each one at once due to the different nature of the sports. he may win only a handly of matches at each tournament, but in the final he beats a player who beat others, who beat others, who... That is the nature of a knock-out championship.

It is interesting how F1 works. It is (generally) the same 20 drivers at each GP. However in a lot of other sports technically every player enters it from the start. That is, of course, impractical in F1. However who can sort of consider previous years championships and races (both in F1 and other formula) as the semis and earlier rounds to get into the championship.

Different methods, but if you are comparing sports on such a matter, then it does matter and isn't a stupid point. It does, however, make it very difficult to compare! Almost impossible really.

Red Emperor · 2 Jun 2005, 17:57 (Ref:1318307)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Not stupid at all, more a discussion point.

He doesn't play each one at once due to the different nature of the sports. he may win only a handly of matches at each tournament, but in the final he beats a player who beat others, who beat others, who... That is the nature of a knock-out championship.

It is interesting how F1 works. It is (generally) the same 20 drivers at each GP. However in a lot of other sports technically every player enters it from the start. That is, of course, impractical in F1. However who can sort of consider previous years championships and races (both in F1 and other formula) as the semis and earlier rounds to get into the championship.

Different methods, but if you are comparing sports on such a matter, then it does matter and isn't a stupid point. It does, however, make it very difficult to compare! Almost impossible really.

Well i agree with you.
The point is not stupid, but the answer given was.

Black_Flag · 2 Jun 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1318310)

Here we go... Cant you the point in the answer... geez

Bleu · 2 Jun 2005, 18:18 (Ref:1318325)

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Originally Posted by beau1

can someone please work out how many drivers Micheal has raced againest in his career in F1 .

I list surnames only, but here are the drivers who have raced in same race as Michael Schumacher:
Adams, Albers, Alboreto, Alesi, Alliot, Alonso, Andretti, Apicella, Badoer, Barbazza
Barrichello, Baumgartner, Belmondo, Beretta, Berger, Bernard, Bernoldi, Blundell, Boullion, Boutsen
Brabham, Brundle, Bruni, Burti, Button, Caffi, Capelli, Chiesa, Comas, Coulthard
da Matta, Davidson, de Cesaris, de la Rosa, Deletraz, Diniz, Enge, Firman, Fisichella, Fittipaldi
Fontana, Frentzen, Friesacher, Gachot, Gene, Glock, Gounon, Grouillard, Gugelmin, Heidfeld
Herbert, Hill, Häkkinen, Inoue, Irvine, Karthikeyan, Katayama, Kiesa, Klien, Lagorce
Lammers, Lamy, Larini, Lavaggi, Lehto, Liuzzi, Magnussen, Mansell, Marques, Martini
Massa, Mazzacane, McNish, Modena, Monteiro, Montermini, Montoya, Morbidelli, Moreno, Nakajima
Nakano, Naspetti, Noda, Panis, Pantano, Papis, Patrese, Piquet, Pirro, Pizzonia, Prost
Rosset, Ratzenberger, Räikkönen, Salo, Sarrazin, Sato, Schiattarella, Schumacher, Senna, Suzuki
Suzuki, Takagi, Tarquini, Trulli, Tuero, van de Poele, Verstappen, Villeneuve, Warwick, Webber
Wendlinger, Wilson, Wurz, Yoong, Zanardi, Zonta

That brings a total to 116.

About Sampras, in Grand Slam tournament players needs to win 7 matches. A total of 128 players take part in event.

Rich R · 2 Jun 2005, 18:19 (Ref:1318328)

maybe schumacher can be considered a little bit comparable to the 1950's world boxing champion rocky marciano. totally dominant in their time, but not seen as the out and out best ever because the quality of his opponents wasn't as high as joe louis fought pre war or muhammed ali fought in the decades after.

**Adam43** · 2 Jun 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1318342)

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Originally Posted by Red Emperor

Well i agree with you.
The point is not stupid, but the answer given was.

If you disagree with someone, fine, but it is just a matter of how you express it. http://tentenths.com/forum/faq.php?f...ules_behaviour . Thank you (I would have PM's you, but I couldn't). Please feel free to contact any of the mods for further clarification.

Back to the point of the thread.

Kicking-back · 2 Jun 2005, 18:43 (Ref:1318359)

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Originally Posted by Bleu

That brings a total to 116.

And that's only in F1

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