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Old 11 Dec 2013, 19:43 (Ref:3342841)   #3126
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I find this post funny (including the eye roll emoticon) given your comments earlier regarding "original source".

I believe you are referring to a motorsports.com article. And while it might be sourced from a press release (or not), I currently can't find (assuming I am looking in the right places) any Porsche press release that talks about the specifics in question.

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Need for eye-rolling (or lack thereof) aside, it is a Porsche press article. The source is listed at the bottom of the article: Porsche AG.

Still will be interesting to see whether it is a V or I4...
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 21:34 (Ref:3342881)   #3127
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 23:46 (Ref:3342941)   #3128
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Wow! Thanks for the warm welcome…we have some pic's at :

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Mainly farm photos but some car pic's…also some pic's of my ******* Child (Austin Healey 3000) I'll get some 996 cup pics up soon…

I race primarily Porsche Club and NASA here in the Great Lakes Region…Mid-Ohio is my home track!
Great pics all around. Makes me want a pet goat.
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Old 12 Dec 2013, 03:24 (Ref:3343007)   #3129
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I find this post funny (including the eye roll emoticon) given your comments earlier regarding "original source".

I believe you are referring to a motorsports.com article. And while it might be sourced from a press release (or not), I currently can't find (assuming I am looking in the right places) any Porsche press release that talks about the specifics in question.

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Usually when Motorsport.com puts a source in the end, it is a copy-paste press release. The author of the article appearing separately in the end is probably a technical thing.

It's not here, but neither are many of the previous less significant releases, but it is word-to-word same on several sites. Googled examples:

http://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/po...746_13462.html
https://www.facebook.com/porsche.mot...57613977623948
http://www.ebeasts.com/2013/12/mark-...-porsches.html

Here slightly differently paragraphed on an official site:

http://passion.porsche.com/au/articl...-exciting-turn

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Old 12 Dec 2013, 05:00 (Ref:3343026)   #3130
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Thanks for the links. I had searched earlier today and found a number of articles that used the same or similar wording. But at least one of them said the engine was an inline four. So clearly they were getting info from a single source, but it was hard to tell where the press release ended and the speculation began.

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Old 12 Dec 2013, 13:27 (Ref:3343150)   #3131
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Old 12 Dec 2013, 14:37 (Ref:3343176)   #3132
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From the article above...

"There were two possibilities for the engine, so we built both engines. There were different hybrid solutions for each engine has well. We decided eight months ago, and it was the most difficult decision we made."

We are likely to not know the details anytime soon (if ever), but I would love to know what the two potential core engine solutions were. Petrol vs. diesel (unlikely?) Cylinder count (4 vs 6?), Cylinder configuration (Inline vs. V?), some other innovative thing that could be tested on a one cylinder test engine without building a full scale engine? Did they build two full scale engines? Did they get beyond test rigs before they made a final decision or did they maybe even make it to the level of running them in a mule?

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Old 12 Dec 2013, 18:20 (Ref:3343244)   #3133
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Hey to all,

first post in this very, very great board! Even more, in this awesome thread.

May i contribute to this discussion with the small hint, that the almost unnoted exposure of the great engine mystery is not only a press release from Porsche (which i haven't read though), but also appears in the "Mission 2014" subpage. Even more, some more details are given, nevertheless, they maintain silence on the cylinder configuration. Instead, it says

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The obvious solution would have been to start with an inherently economical diesel engine, not least because of recent successes in this area. But we’ve chosen to forge our own path. Instead of a diesel engine, we’ve developed a compact and turbocharged two-liter four-cylinder engine.
So, what can we expect from a "very compact" 2 litre, turbucharged petrol engine?

Also, it's noteable, that - at least in the german text - they strikingly often refer to statements like "it's not the fastest car winning at Le Mans" or "The tens of thousands of variables and countless possible set-ups mean that calculations to identify the most efficient overall package"

Looking forward to hear your thoughts!
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Old 12 Dec 2013, 23:47 (Ref:3343398)   #3134
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Hey Rubberduck, welcome!

I think these are some of the most interesting times in the history of motorsport. I wish we were getting to see these teams race regularly in America where we need to see and implement these technologies.

My impression from what you have posted is that there is a recognition that the engine is beginning to be reduced in the formula for propulsion as other more advanced propulsion systems begin to gain prominence. As a result, the ICE can become more compact and smaller allowing for more efficient aero options with less weight to propel. The speeds are still going to be impressive and with less weight and more power on demand from electrical hybrid motors, performance will still be incredible.

This is a relevance with a capital 'R' in my opinion.
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Old 13 Dec 2013, 00:15 (Ref:3343407)   #3135
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That quote above... the site has been indeed updated just yesterday:

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/mis...zero/usa.aspx?

And two new videos:

http://special.porsche.com/microsite...entFilm_en.mp4
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Old 13 Dec 2013, 03:27 (Ref:3343483)   #3136
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Cool, thanks for sharing.
Man that car is starting to look very cool to me now.
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Also, it's noteable, that - at least in the german text - they strikingly often refer to statements like "it's not the fastest car winning at Le Mans" or "The tens of thousands of variables and countless possible set-ups mean that calculations to identify the most efficient overall package"

Looking forward to hear your thoughts!
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I think your final statement rings very true in this situation. Porsche could experience some problems finding the perfect balance with the weight and, of course, the handling, but as long as their car is durable than they should be doing just fine.

As far as the engine specification and performance goes, I can't add much because I primarily concern myself with the slightly more trivial points, predictions, media buzz, driver changes, et cetera, but it all sounds very promising. But in terms of next year's competition, we can't expect too much attrition, at least if we measure it by this year's standards which was, of course, very minimal.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the track competing against other LMP1 cars. Very exciting times in sportscar racing ahead.
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Includes footage from the Monza tests. And return of these these color palettes and pink tapes.

Maybe for CGI for some future promo video. Maybe to check out how colors look in real life (livery design in mind). Any A/V professionals here?

Alternative theory: they just put them there for no reason to cause further distraction from the shapes.


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Old 13 Dec 2013, 08:44 (Ref:3343571)   #3139
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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

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(...) As a result, the ICE can become more compact and smaller allowing for more efficient aero options with less weight to propel. (...) This is a relevance with a capital 'R' in my opinion.
Oh yes, I am totally with you here. It's time for new ideas.

Hopefully, they make it endurable enough, which IMO is the biggest problem besides all the unkowns coming into the game via the electricity.

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Maybe for CGI for some future promo video. Maybe to check out how colors look in real life (livery design in mind). Any A/V professionals here?
I took a closer look to the video and do find it noteworthy, that those stickers appear either on every flat surface - the big ones in particular - or on those prominent places, where one would place a sticker. That said, I also think this has to do with the livery design.
I have no experience in video post processing, though, but I wouldn't wonder, if one can render a full livery (draft) onto these pictures without even printing a single sticker, thus explaining the pink spots as placeholders, that can be detected with the proper software?!
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Old 13 Dec 2013, 09:05 (Ref:3343577)   #3140
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So they build at least 3 tubs to date as you can see in this video: http://special.porsche.com/microsite...itsfilm_en.mp4 at around 1:44.

Good to know they've got some backup material ready to go and the program wouldn't have suffered to badly if one of them had burned down at paul ricard last month.
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Includes footage from the Monza tests. And return of these these color palettes and pink tapes.

Maybe for CGI for some future promo video. Maybe to check out how colors look in real life (livery design in mind). Any A/V professionals here?

Alternative theory: they just put them there for no reason to cause further distraction from the shapes.

I am not a specialist in these issues, but I would expect that the various markings may be designed to allow a mapping of a new CGI-livery on top of the real-life pictures and that the color palette allows for potential color corrections in the resulting images.

Any CGI specialist around ?
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I am not a specialist in these issues, but I would expect that the various markings may be designed to allow a mapping of a new CGI-livery on top of the real-life pictures and that the color palette allows for potential color corrections in the resulting images.

Any CGI specialist around ?
The color pallet and the bigger grey dots are probably used for white balance and giving a correct color balance to the photo/video.
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I am not a specialist in these issues, but I would expect that the various markings may be designed to allow a mapping of a new CGI-livery on top of the real-life pictures and that the color palette allows for potential color corrections in the resulting images.

Any CGI specialist around ?
My guess is that it is a color pallet of potential colors to be used in the new livery and this is testing the visual appeal of various colors plus measuring how easily seen each color will be. The white is as someone said, for getting the correct color balance when evaluating the colors. My guess.
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My guess is that it is a color pallet of potential colors to be used in the new livery and this is testing the visual appeal of various colors plus measuring how easily seen each color will be. The white is as someone said, for getting the correct color balance when evaluating the colors. My guess.
I like that color pallet on the fin. If they could make something from those colors it could look quite interesting.
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I am not a specialist in these issues, but I would expect that the various markings may be designed to allow a mapping of a new CGI-livery on top of the real-life pictures and that the color palette allows for potential color corrections in the resulting images.

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Not sure what would be the benefit in this since 3D render would probably be a bit more purposeful.

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My guess is that it is a color pallet of potential colors to be used in the new livery and this is testing the visual appeal of various colors plus measuring how easily seen each color will be. The white is as someone said, for getting the correct color balance when evaluating the colors. My guess.
This is more what I was thinking.

Remember that also the RS Spyder had these markings.
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This is more what I was thinking.
The thought crossed my mind!
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Includes footage from the Monza tests. And return of these these color palettes and pink tapes.

Maybe for CGI for some future promo video. Maybe to check out how colors look in real life (livery design in mind). Any A/V professionals here?

Alternative theory: they just put them there for no reason to cause further distraction from the shapes.

Hmm then all the pink tape must mean a return of the:

PINK PIG!
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I'm a producer/editor for a national TV network and I have no clue what those stickers are for.

You don't need that for white balance since you'll do that on the camera before you mount them on the car if it's a big camera. If they're using small action cams, there's enough white in the camo that you can color correct fairly easily out of that white.
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Unless I'm missing something such as sarcasm, I think you all are reading too much in to the camouflage livery. This is simply used to mask the small details/shape of the car, and not to test out new livery colors or for CG.


http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...-swirlies.html

**Edit** I just noticed the weird color palette on the fin is what everybody was referring to. Very odd!
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Seriously though, that's a bit odd. I'm fully aware that the black/white camo paint schemes that are often seen in spy shots and early prototypes are for masking the more intricate details of the design before it is publically released, but nevertheless I can't quite figure out the color palette design.
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