Engine

Edmonton · 17 May 2003, 20:06 (Ref:602038)

Should formula1 have a engine formula similar to what it was in the mid 90s when you could run a v8,v10,or v12?

JAG · 17 May 2003, 20:09 (Ref:602039)

I think F1 will scrap the V10s when the rules stability agreement ends with a V6 formula replacing them.

gttouring · 17 May 2003, 21:02 (Ref:602083)

A V6? is that because every manufacturer in the world builds them and it might be easy access?
Nah-
I would like to see the any 3 litre reciprocating engine rule though, no rotaries but v6-v8-v10-v12-flat 6-flat8-v16-flat 16 (h16 yeah)

But wwhy would they go V6?

Edmonton · 17 May 2003, 21:11 (Ref:602088)

I the only way they would go to a v6 if it was a turbo like in the 80s.

type49 · 17 May 2003, 21:31 (Ref:602112)

Ferrari would never go for it, unless turbo charging were brought back. Those 10 and 12s are the basis of their big markets in America. I would like displacement to match those of the CART/IRL motors.

JAG · 17 May 2003, 21:50 (Ref:602133)

I'm talking about 3-4 years time. F1 has to have a new engine formula as 800BHP is really the limit the FIA want on F1 engine power. The V10s would have already been replaced if the stabilityy agreement wasn't in place.

The manufactuers say they do not want any restrictors fitted, therefore the only ligical future formula would be 2.5 V6 or lower capacity V8.

Remember Ferrari and the like have no loylty to a V10 as most manufactuers produce V6, V8, and V12.

The 2.5 V6 formula was brought up by some F1 designers in an article on the future of F1 in a magazine I read.

Sodemo · 17 May 2003, 21:58 (Ref:602142)

Hey!

Just cut the cc to 2.5 litres, easy.

**Adam43** · 18 May 2003, 08:39 (Ref:602357)

V6s, less power.

DNQ · 18 May 2003, 08:46 (Ref:602361)

Hmm I want turbos, but I don't want 6 cylinder engines...how about 1000cc Turbocharged V8's...they had 1200hp with 1500cc in the 1980's no reason they couldn't maintain current power levels with 1.0 litre. Only problem is that the displacement has no relevance to any car I can think of... (actually, I remember the Daihatsu Move had a 0.7L engine in it).

I'd like to see an option for V8, V10 or V12, but the teams have to commit to one or the other, to stop them from building all three. Maybe if the Ferrari's had V12's in them I wouldn't hate seeing them win every race

I guess a 2.5L V6 would be okay.

**GTRMagic** · 18 May 2003, 09:05 (Ref:602377)

A 1 litre V12 would be a sight to see

JGM · 18 May 2003, 10:41 (Ref:602442)

I'd like to see a formula where any type of reciprocating engine is allowed, and of any size and configuration. The only limiting factor would be a fuel flow valve, supplied by the FIA, which would restrict the rate of flow of the fuel to the engine. The rate of flow could be adjusted from year to year to keep power outputs at a reasonable level.

gttouring · 18 May 2003, 15:41 (Ref:602614)

i still am on the 3.0 litre any configuration motor, why a V6 again, can someone post a link or quote? it is perplexing really when you have a great formula in CHAMP car that is comprable- 2.65L Turbo V8's...Maybe Pook will get bernie an Co. to change to that reg and then Champ Car might be respected more...what am I talking about-F1 has to be the pinnacle- bring on anything and dyno the stupid things

Dani Filth · 18 May 2003, 20:39 (Ref:602857)

any type .. from the 4 cil to 16 inline ..

but this should be with some sort of equaling the performance .. and theoretical ... a 4 cil could go as fast on a lap as a V12 ...

Armco Bender · 18 May 2003, 20:53 (Ref:602877)

Bring back the Ford DFV....

bcobbus · 18 May 2003, 22:37 (Ref:602978)

Amazing that the DFV started in 1967 and ran till the 80's! Different types of engines would be intersting, but even more expensive then they are now! Imagine the possibilties of seeing V8's, V10's, V12's, Rotarys, W8's, W10's, W12's, W16's, Boxer engines, etc...

Also what about like in the psat where you could either have a 1.5 Turbo, or 3.0 normally asperated engine? Something along those lines would be great!

flatlander_48 · 19 May 2003, 01:11 (Ref:603024)

How about eliminating pneumatic valve trains?

Lee Janotta · 19 May 2003, 01:26 (Ref:603028)

I could see 3.0L, turbocharged, V6, with power regulated through boost control like in CART. But I think 2.5L V8s is more likely.

neilap · 19 May 2003, 02:40 (Ref:603046)

Hopefully they dont change the engine formula. Making the motors less powerful will not make things safer. Its cornering speeds that they want to reduce not straight line speed. Leave the motors alone, that are a big part of the fascination in F1. Turbo cars just sound aweful compared to the current motors.

golem · 19 May 2003, 05:13 (Ref:603088)

3200cc, but every cylinder in the configuration drops cc by 50.
So a V6 hits 2900cc, a V12 is capped to 2600cc and so forth.

I realise anyone wanting to run a radial 64 is gonna be out of luck but it should work for anything sensible.

Watch honda grab it's V5 bike engine and bore and stroke the suckah right out...

Logrence · 19 May 2003, 22:15 (Ref:604021)

How about making them use rubber bands? Or hamsters in wheels?

alfasud · 19 May 2003, 23:55 (Ref:604101)

Quote:

Originally posted by Logrence
....Or hamsters in wheels?

I think the animal rights people might have something to say about that. Can just imagine the headlines... "Grand Prix cancelled..... animal rights group liberates powerplants of entire grid".

Not to mention the accusations that Ferrari is using a genetically modified hamster.

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