[LM24] Pescarolo Sport future plans...?!?!

[Mal]

I noted his comment about F1 and Endurance sharing the same engines - is that realistic?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Mal

I noted his comment about F1 and Endurance sharing the same engines - is that realistic?

1991-1993, the last Group C cars? If it was done back then, some re-engineering could achieve the same thing now. The only problem would be rather prohibitive costs.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Mal

I noted his comment about F1 and Endurance sharing the same engines - is that realistic?

He was referring to the 2014 regs, and I think it would be possible. The question is would anybody do it?

[JAG]

2014 will be an energy formula so small capacity turbo engines will be ideal.

[alexkiller8]

if in f1 will enter some other manufacter, then will be possible, in end group C era, peugeot did the 3.5 V10 for the 905 and then was available also for f1 team; but if the situation will remain like now (only 4 engine supplier in f1) is really hard that there will be again an engine sharing between f1 and ACO/IMSA competitions

[TF110]

Going to make a POSSIBLE connection- Infinity currently adorn the front of Red Bull in F1. Renault and Nissan (parent of Infinity) are one. Renault has said they've 'paved the way' for Nissan to enter the sport. Nissan are Rumored to be involved with Oreca in P1. Nissan- engine supplier for Red Bull in place of Renault? Same type of engine for P1? Ya never know.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by JAG

2014 will be an energy formula so small capacity turbo engines will be ideal.

I'm not totally familiar with upcoming F1 regs, but I think going to fairly standardized F1 regs (assuming they are still that way) would be counterintuitive to a consumption formula where teams should be allowed to design whatever they want so as long as they don't use up their fuel. I would hate to see a standardized engine formula.

[AGD]

This article does not go into great detail, but it sounds like Pescarolo has not made plans for 2012 as of yet.

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-8636.html

I'm not sure if finances/sponsorship are a concern or what. I know Pescarolo has an aversion to the ALMS and LMP2 so I don't know what other recourse there is if they aren't in WEC P1 except for being a Le Mans-only entrant. Well, we'll see, my feeling is that they will find a way to be on the WEC P1 grid next year.

More details about the context of the quote are on the Pescarolo Team site: http://www.pescarolo.com/news.asp?news=164

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

1991-1993, the last Group C cars? If it was done back then, some re-engineering could achieve the same thing now. The only problem would be rather prohibitive costs.

Hugh Chamberlain said to me personally at that time , there is not enough money in the sport for the privateer to get this workin . Same applies today , imo . He was right and this lead to the downfall of Group C !!!

[gwyllion]

We already know that Pescarolo is hired to run the Dome S102.5 in Spa and Le Mans. See http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...04#post3020104

However, there might be another big surprise today!

According to http://www.lemainelibre.fr/actualite...-02-2012-28270 Pescarolo will also enter an AMR-One (rebadged as Pescarolo) with the Judd 3.4 V8 in the WEC with Jousse, Collard, and Boullion as drivers

[AGD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Pescarolo will also enter an AMR-One with a Judd V8 in the WEC with Jousse, Collard, and Boullion as drivers

Dome, ok. AMR-One? Why? Was the firesale price on the Deboras too high?

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

We already know that Pescarolo is hired to run the Dome S102.5 in Spa and Le Mans. See http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...04#post3020104

However, there might be another big surprise today!

According to http://www.lemainelibre.fr/actualite...-02-2012-28270 Pescarolo will also enter an AMR-One with a Judd V8 in the WEC with Jousse, Collard, and Boullion as drivers

Quite extraordinary......you really couldn't make these stories up.....a Dome Judd and an AMR-One Judd!

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by AGD

AMR-One? Why? Was the firesale price on the Deboras too high?

Remember that we never saw the true performance of the chassis and the aero because of the terrible Aston Martin engine.

I can imagine that Pescarolo is mainly interested in the tub, which is more modern that the ancient Courage tub he has been using, and which is designed for the big front Michelins. The Delta Wing project also selected the AMR-One tub to save money on design, crash tests, manufacturing, ... (see http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newssept11.html).
Maybe the Pescarolo engineers will develop an own, more conventional aero package for the AMR-One.

[jc_nl]

Both the english and dutch translation metion a Aston Martin (coupe), and later on talk about 2011...

The coupe seems very unlikely to me, wouldn't installing a Judd V8 mean rather big changes to the engine bay? thus making the car less desirable as a collecters item.

As for the 2011 car, could be interesting with an engine in the back giving a (relatively) decent amount of power.

But the question remains, who would be paying for al of this, as Pescarolo surly isn't one of the better funded teams on the grid.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Maybe the Pescarolo engineers will develop an own, more conventional aero package for the AMR-One.

Wasn't the AMR-One said to be a total turd in terms of aero? A CFD nightmare? Granted, if they just use the tub and rebuild a new car around that, maybe things can be ok. With that said, where is the time to develop that for 2012?

Originally Posted by jc_nl

Both the english and dutch translation metion a Aston Martin (coupe), and later on talk about 2011...

That would make more sense. It might be more attractive than just using a regular old Lola.

[Down F0rce]

Can they still use grandfathered cars in 2012?

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Down F0rce

Can they still use grandfathered cars in 2012?

No.
Only 2011+ reg cars will be allowed.

[TF110]

Is it the Lola-Aston martin coupe or the open topped failure? They may be able to turn around either car for the better, or update them.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by jc_nl

Both the english and dutch translation metion a Aston Martin (coupe), and later on talk about 2011...

So does the French text, but judging from the picture in the article that is probably a typo.

This French news paper article clearly talks about the AMR-One chassis:


On the EI forum there have been hints that Pescarolo would use the AMR-One chassis.

Furthermore there were some twitter rumors that the AMR-One tub would be used by a second team besides Delta Wing.

Originally Posted by @Audi_Sport_Fan

@DSCeditor Mr. Goodwin just heard the failing AMR-One maybe landing in hands of a privateer team, could be for real ?!

source: http://twitter.com/#!/Audi_Sport_Fan...96834763243520

[CTD]

To be honest it sounds really strange that Pescarolo will field the Dome for two races, and then use a massive amount of work and money on developing a car, which they won't even race at Le Mans.

What i expect to see is a full WEC campaign from Pescarolo with the Dome (hopefully with a Playstation sponsorship), at Spa and Le Mans, Pescarolo will run 2 cars, their "own" and a car fielded together with Dome.

[Pandamasque]

Perhaps the plan is to use the AMR-One tub for Pescarolo 02, just like the Courage tub was used for the old car.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by CTD

and then use a massive amount of work and money on developing a car, which they won't even race at Le Mans.

Well, I guess there are rumors that the AMR-One part might be right. If they use an AMR-One as such, well, why? If they use a completely modified AMR-One, well, why? Why spend that much money to build a new car that will only be legal for 2012 and 2013? Well, maybe another year with grandfathering, but still, why? It might be true, but I don't get it. The Dome obviously might make much more sense, but maybe their isn't enough money flowing from Japan to Le Mans to get that on the track on a more frequent basis.

[Mal]

http://www.motorstv.com/car/enduranc...le-mans-return

This is good!

[jc_nl]

Pescarolo won't field 2 Dome cars, from the news item on the Dome website:

The audiences will see a Dome S102.5 occupying one of the two grids Pescarolo has got, but what is actually happening is Dome outsources the race operation to Pescarolo.

So Pescarolo will be a 1 car team (apparently with an AM/car build around the AM tub), except at Spa and LM where they will also run the Dome on behalf of the Dome factory

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by CTD

To be honest it sounds really strange that Pescarolo will field the Dome for two races, and then use a massive amount of work and money on developing a car, which they won't even race at Le Mans.

You might have missed that Henri applied for 1 WEC entry and 2 Le Mans entries. See http://www.pescarolo.com/news.asp?news=167

Henri is being paid by Dome to run the S102.5 in Spa and Le Mans. He can use his own resources to develop the AMR-One/Pescarolo 02 and enter his own car in the WEC and Le Mans.