ALMS Rnd 11: Petit Le Mans 3-6 Oct 2007 - Page 3

**Adam43** · 22 Sep 2007, 06:46 (Ref:2020254)

Along the lines of what others have said, the Zytek will be quick, but Penske in their own playground will be too much.

Lusitano · 22 Sep 2007, 13:45 (Ref:2020427)

Looking forward to follow this one, from the Emerald Island!

The American part of our "Le Mans 2008" team is likely to attend this (small trip from NJ), as an appetizer for the big one. I got a few hooked last year!

AU N EGL · 22 Sep 2007, 15:13 (Ref:2020466)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Along the lines of what others have said, the Zytek will be quick, but Penske in their own playground will be too much.

[off topic] Penske is building their own roval with road course testing track near Moorseville NC. Oval 1 1/2 miles Road course roval 1 .75 miles.[/off topic]

gsmith2424 · 22 Sep 2007, 15:46 (Ref:2020489)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

[off topic] Penske is building their own roval with road course testing track near Moorseville NC. Oval 1 1/2 miles Road course roval 1 .75 miles.[/off topic]

As it stands right now it looks like it wont happen as it got struck down by the planning commission, but it still has one more chance before the full county commission next month.

henk4 · 23 Sep 2007, 10:31 (Ref:2020869)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

As much as i would like to agree with you ..... I feel "most" of the ALMS teams would wipe the floor with European LMP2 teams .

if one would replace the words "ALMS" with "Factory" and "European" with "privateers" that might be a better reflection of the real state of things....

gazuk · 23 Sep 2007, 19:16 (Ref:2021206)

Having Just Watched The Silverstone 100km
What Would We Give For The Peugeots To Race Against The Audis
Over There In The States
Ps How Can We Buy A Petit Le Mans T Shirt Over Here In The Uk

Fogelhund · 23 Sep 2007, 19:44 (Ref:2021229)

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Originally Posted by gazuk

Having Just Watched The Silverstone 100km
What Would We Give For The Peugeots To Race Against The Audis
Over There In The States
Ps How Can We Buy A Petit Le Mans T Shirt Over Here In The Uk

I didn't check if they would ship to the UK, but..

http://www.panozmerchandising.com/Ro...72007161614968

AU N EGL · 23 Sep 2007, 20:37 (Ref:2021262)

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Originally Posted by henk4

if one would replace the words "ALMS" with "Factory" and "European" with "privateers" that might be a better reflection of the real state of things....

That would be great, however, there is not a clear difference between "Factory" ( Works ) or "Privateers." Many Privateer teams recieve factory support in some form.

And when you really look at the structor of the so called Factory teams, they are run by indpendent business, sepearate of the manufacture. Penske Motorsports = Porsche Spyders, PME = Corvette, Champion Audi ( North American Audi dealership) = Audi R10s. Yet these are clearly the Works or Factory teams.

They line may be a bit fuzzy as in Dyson Racing. The race Porche Spyders, and do recieve Porchse technical help and support, yet they are a privteer team.

henk4 · 24 Sep 2007, 03:04 (Ref:2021388)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

That would be great, however, there is not a clear difference between "Factory" ( Works ) or "Privateers." Many Privateer teams recieve factory support in some form.

And when you really look at the structor of the so called Factory teams, they are run by indpendent business, sepearate of the manufacture. Penske Motorsports = Porsche Spyders, PME = Corvette, Champion Audi ( North American Audi dealership) = Audi R10s. Yet these are clearly the Works or Factory teams.

They line may be a bit fuzzy as in Dyson Racing. The race Porche Spyders, and do recieve Porchse technical help and support, yet they are a privteer team.

what I was trying to convey is that the European LMP2 cars are mainly privateers, (except theoretically the Radicals, but that is not a zillion dollar factory either), while the American LMP2s are really gifted with factory support. I have seen the Porsche 3 times, of which twice at a Porsche stand on a major motorshow......

ss_collins · 24 Sep 2007, 08:46 (Ref:2021516)

Theres only one works rad - and to be honest its a privateer.

henk4 · 24 Sep 2007, 08:51 (Ref:2021523)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

Theres only one works rad - and to be honest its a privateer.

The Bruichladdich Radical can be considered as the "factory" team...

AU N EGL · 24 Sep 2007, 11:32 (Ref:2021632)

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Originally Posted by henk4

what I was trying to convey is that the European LMP2 cars are mainly privateers, (except theoretically the Radicals, but that is not a zillion dollar factory either), while the American LMP2s are really gifted with factory support. I have seen the Porsche 3 times, of which twice at a Porsche stand on a major motorshow......

Ok not sure what you mean by "gifted"? If you mean "talented", yes. If you mean "Given" to the teams, NO. Penske purchased the four Spyders from Porsche.

henk4 · 24 Sep 2007, 11:38 (Ref:2021638)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Ok not sure what you mean by "gifted"? If you mean "talented", yes. If you mean "Given" to the teams, NO. Penske purchased the four Spyders from Porsche.

gifted is indeed the wrong word,,, "assisted" would have been the better one...

Mal · 24 Sep 2007, 13:00 (Ref:2021722)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

NO. Penske purchased the four Spyders from Porsche.

Is that true?

I always thought that Porsche North American commisioned the cars and then paid Penske to run then. I guess I was wrong.

AU N EGL · 24 Sep 2007, 13:07 (Ref:2021730)

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Originally Posted by Mal

Is that true?

I always thought that Porsche North American commisioned the cars and then paid Penske to run then. I guess I was wrong.

Penske bought the cars, Porsche pays for the technical support, tones of spare parts, DHL pays to take the cars to the races.

Combination of funding / partnerships / sonsorships. Not aways easy to figure out "whos on first"?

The Badger · 24 Sep 2007, 15:54 (Ref:2021840)

End-info are reporting that Bergmeister-Van Overbeek duo will be joined by Marc Lieb in the 45 car .

Thats a bloody strong line up .Good to see Lieb back .

The Badger · 24 Sep 2007, 18:11 (Ref:2021945)

Mariantic are reporting

Jan Charouz & Danny Watts join Mücke in the LMP2 Zytek @ PLM - EI (adds weight to the story that Charouz's Lola is sold ,

Mowlem is back with Risi 430 .

Is the Danny Watts link anything to do with LNT possibily buying the car ?

Who bought the Charouz Lola ..... possibily Intersport if its sold at all ?

What will Charouz have for 2008 ?

**FIRE** · 24 Sep 2007, 18:25 (Ref:2021957)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Who bought the Charouz Lola ..... possibily Intersport if its sold at all ?

Same website:

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RML to move up a class in 2008? we hear they have bought an existing LMP1 - more soon...

So RML?

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Originally Posted by The Badger

What will Charouz have for 2008 ?

Zytek LMP1?

Justin Moran · 24 Sep 2007, 18:45 (Ref:2021971)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Is the Danny Watts link anything to do with LNT possibily buying the car ?

I just think he proved himself in the car at Silverstone, very quick pedal man! (And a nice guy to boot!)

The Badger · 24 Sep 2007, 19:28 (Ref:2022006)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Zytek LMP1?

Wouldnt surprise me at all , with Sam Higgnet being the team manager and his previous connections with Zytek .

RML possibily buying the Charouz Lola ..... will they keep the same engine ? It is a well sorted car with the Judd installation .

The359 · 24 Sep 2007, 21:01 (Ref:2022101)

What other choice is there besides the Judd? The AER certainly has disappointed this year.

The Real DMN · 24 Sep 2007, 21:12 (Ref:2022110)

With RML being involved with X-Power, will the car be re-badged an MG as with all their previous Lolas?

canam · 25 Sep 2007, 05:58 (Ref:2022280)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Wouldnt surprise me at all , with Sam Higgnet being the team manager and his previous connections with Zytek .

RML possibily buying the Charouz Lola ..... will they keep the same engine ? It is a well sorted car with the Judd installation .

Not to put too much a dampener on this speculation, but it may be possible that Charouz will focus on single seaters instead of sportscars next year. Given the regs, there is virtually no chance of victory...a fact which clearly reduces enthusiasm. Additionally, despite being quick (given their driver line-up), their overall performance (results) must be disappointing from their perspective. I think there is a possibility that they will jump ship and and do GP2 instead--with the odd buy drive in a sportscar.

The Badger · 25 Sep 2007, 07:09 (Ref:2022303)

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Originally Posted by The359

What other choice is there besides the Judd? The AER certainly has disappointed this year.

Perhaps a Zytek ?

The Badger · 25 Sep 2007, 07:11 (Ref:2022305)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

What will Charouz have for 2008 ?

Thinking about it , why would Charouz want to change to a Zytek LMP1 when clearly their Lola Judd is a better car , in terms of results anyway .

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