TTA 2012 - The new kid on the block - Page 6

Speed-King · 15 Mar 2012, 12:24 (Ref:3041475)

In Argentinian Turismo Careterra the Torino brand has been racing for decades without any corresponding street cars being sold, so I don't see too much of a problem with that for TTA - if Flash can find other sponsors and doesn't depend on whatever money might come from manufacturer (or more realistically: dealer) backing, more power to him.

Beautiful cars, can't wait to see it in a proper race livery.

Mr Pink · 23 Mar 2012, 10:14 (Ref:3047011)

Some pictures of the Saab testing in France. http://saablog-in.blogspot.de/2012/0...la-9-3-de.html

Craner Curves · 23 Mar 2012, 10:28 (Ref:3047017)

Interesting. You can see right through the car, there's no firewall like in the Meganes.

PorscheFanNo1 · 23 Mar 2012, 10:53 (Ref:3047024)

The car in the background at picture 2 I'm guessing is the BMW of WCR?

Mr Pink · 23 Mar 2012, 11:16 (Ref:3047034)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

The car in the background at picture 2 I'm guessing is the BMW of WCR?

I don't think it's a TTA car?

Bramzel · 23 Mar 2012, 11:43 (Ref:3047042)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Interesting. You can see right through the car, there's no firewall like in the Meganes.

There is, but it has a big window in it. You can see it in picture 1.

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

The car in the background at picture 2 I'm guessing is the BMW of WCR?

That's another Solution F bodykit for their 'Astra' chassis: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotovan...4979/lightbox/

**FIRE** · 23 Mar 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3047045)

I assume it's the Solution-F with custom made body from Dutch Supercar Challenge:
http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/nl/s...art_number=221

tbz · 23 Mar 2012, 16:35 (Ref:3047158)

Saab in action @Ales/France http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=glhQU06v37k

thlbtcc · 23 Mar 2012, 17:21 (Ref:3047181)

Whatever you think about the Saab TTA car, it has tongues waggling and for a new series that is important. Personally, I think it's a bit silly. I wonder how out of date it will look and what little funding will be found after 2012.

redshoes · 23 Mar 2012, 20:42 (Ref:3047257)

I love the fake 4-door styling on the SAAB and the way the real door opens half way down the fake door. Can't decide if it's a work of genius or sad reflection on a silhouette formula trying to be something it's not.

Mr Pink · 30 Mar 2012, 10:26 (Ref:3050775)

Viktor Hallrup will drive for Brovallen. http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=7368

Hallrup isn't bad but it's not really a top-class signing is it? So far I'd say Brovallen looks the weakest of the four teams.

Jimmy Magnusson · 11 Apr 2012, 19:19 (Ref:3057339)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Viktor Hallrup will drive for Brovallen. http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=7368

Hallrup isn't bad but it's not really a top-class signing is it? So far I'd say Brovallen looks the weakest of the four teams.

Speaking of weakest, Citroën now spits fire and says they have nothing to do with Brovallen's car:

http://www.cisionwire.se/citroen/r/c...i-tta,c9245312

They even use the term "trademark infringement" in the press release. That's a fun piece of news to have land in your lap four weeks from the premiere.

Tiny · 11 Apr 2012, 19:23 (Ref:3057345)

Seams wierd that they did not ask Citroen?
How come the TTA-teams get into these kind of trouble?
I hope there will be no further problems with this...

Like a sandboxwar for children.

touring fan01 · 11 Apr 2012, 19:35 (Ref:3057357)

any news on tv coverage? only 4 weeks to go and still nothing is a bad sign.

DS" · 11 Apr 2012, 20:21 (Ref:3057384)

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

Speaking of weakest, Citroën now spits fire and says they have nothing to do with Brovallen's car:

http://www.cisionwire.se/citroen/r/c...i-tta,c9245312

They even use the term "trademark infringement" in the press release. That's a fun piece of news to have land in your lap four weeks from the premiere.

Almost screams "V8 Star", but 3/4 of the manufacturers are endorsing the TTA series.

Pettersson · 11 Apr 2012, 20:56 (Ref:3057404)

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Originally Posted by Tiny

Seams wierd that they did not ask Citroen?
How come the TTA-teams get into these kind of trouble?
I hope there will be no further problems with this...

Like a sandboxwar for children.

It's embarrassing to watch. Just the Porsche Cup story is crazy, TTA did wrong when opening up for newer cars in Porsche Challenge and God knows why it took Porsche so long to end the contract. They've had since end of 2011 to do it...

And no word on TV coverage yet.

I'm still an STCC fan, BUT I honestly wouldn't be happy if all this meant serious problems for TTA. It would be sad if the Swedish motorsport industry would suffer from credibility issues from manufacturers and sponsors. The Citroen story might just be "a fart in space" but just the mentioning of "trademark infringement" from Citroen themselves doesn't sound good

. I just wonder how on earth the Citroen C5 TTA prototype with a lot of Citroen logos on it found it's way into an official Citroen stand at the Swedish rally championship finale if Citroen was so negative towards TTA?

Jimmy Magnusson · 11 Apr 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3057406)

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Originally Posted by DS"

Almost screams "V8 Star", but 3/4 of the manufacturers are endorsing the TTA series.

A quick overview paints not such a rosy picture.

Volvo - In it to the max. And spending a lot of money.
BMW - Swedish importer is in. Big BMW? We haven't seen the car yet, and we still don't know if it'll be allowed to carry the BMW badge.
Volkswagen - Backing STCC with the big bucks, bringing Porsche along
Chevrolet - STCC
Honda - STCC
SEAT - Nominally backing STCC but not with any cash
Saab - Doesn't exist for the moment
Citroën - Heavily dissing TTA

Volvo will be hoping WCR gets to race with BMW logos, or they will be very lonely indeed.

Speed-King · 11 Apr 2012, 22:00 (Ref:3057456)

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Originally Posted by Pettersson

I just wonder how on earth the Citroen C5 TTA prototype with a lot of Citroen logos on it found it's way into an official Citroen stand at the Swedish rally championship finale if Citroen was so negative towards TTA?

Didn't it even have Citroen dealers team stickers on it or something like that?

Jimmy Magnusson · 11 Apr 2012, 22:23 (Ref:3057473)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Didn't it even have Citroen dealers team stickers on it or something like that?

http://ttagroup.se/galleri/bilder/8/

While the gallery is still up. My dad kept saying time and time again that it was important that it said "Citroën Dealer Team - TTA Concept Car", turns out he was right.

Pettersson · 11 Apr 2012, 22:35 (Ref:3057487)

Correction from my previous post: The prototype was on display at the first round of the 2012 Swedish Rally Championship, not the 2011 finale.

According to an article in the automotive magazine and TTA media partner "Teknikens Värld", the press release was just to clarify that it's not some kind of works effort. Tobias Johansson at brovalen says that about 20 Citroen delaers are in this project so far. Citroen Sweden/Citroen Sport will not take any legal actions since it's "up to every Citroen to do what they want with the car they've just bought".

But is it the same if you construct something on your own and not based on something you bought from Citroen?

Further on, the article says that it's up to the dealers themselves to do what they want since they are independent. Citroen says they have nothing against Brovallen, TTA or racing and if they win it's fun anyway.

I wonder why they wrote so aggressively in the press release?

Jimmy Magnusson · 11 Apr 2012, 23:20 (Ref:3057510)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pettersson

Correction from my previous post: The prototype was on display at the first round of the 2012 Swedish Rally Championship, not the 2011 finale.

According to an article in the automotive magazine and TTA media partner "Teknikens Värld", the press release was just to clarify that it's not some kind of works effort. Tobias Johansson at brovalen says that about 20 Citroen delaers are in this project so far. Citroen Sweden/Citroen Sport will not take any legal actions since it's "up to every Citroen to do what they want with the car they've just bought".

But is it the same if you construct something on your own and not based on something you bought from Citroen?

Further on, the article says that it's up to the dealers themselves to do what they want since they are independent. Citroen says they have nothing against Brovallen, TTA or racing and if they win it's fun anyway.

I wonder why they wrote so aggressively in the press release?

TTA Media partner. It is very strange indeed, and it is too bad there's no real respectable motorsport reporters around to clarify. We'll see what the next few days bring. The press release quotes the MD not souding all too chuffed so you wouldn't think the air is cleared just yet.

Tiny · 12 Apr 2012, 10:30 (Ref:3057734)

Further more it is pretty strange that teh two Citroen officials says two different things. Its OK to buy a Citroen and modify it so much that its hardly a Citroen anymore and then race with the car but Citroen will not support!?!?
What messege is given to the customers?

Why allow something that you do not support?

Well we will see about this.
I think there is alot of strange things going on.
TTA WILL HAPPEN that is clear , and i think it will be good.
But at least i wounder if they have all things right in the head to get them selfs into this talk everytime.

Maybe its the plan to get people to talk for all we know

rustyfan · 12 Apr 2012, 10:57 (Ref:3057743)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

any news on tv coverage? only 4 weeks to go and still nothing is a bad sign.

Indeed. I hope Viasat picks it up for Sweden. Then again Viasat just renewed their NASCAR Sprint Cup contract (and added full coverage of the NASCAR CampingWorld Truck Series in the process), which I suspect wasn't exactly cheap, so they might not be too eager to spend too much additional money right now.

DS" · 13 Apr 2012, 21:03 (Ref:3058599)

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

A quick overview paints not such a rosy picture.

Volvo - In it to the max. And spending a lot of money.
BMW - Swedish importer is in. Big BMW? We haven't seen the car yet, and we still don't know if it'll be allowed to carry the BMW badge.
Volkswagen - Backing STCC with the big bucks, bringing Porsche along
Chevrolet - STCC
Honda - STCC
SEAT - Nominally backing STCC but not with any cash
Saab - Doesn't exist for the moment
Citroën - Heavily dissing TTA

Volvo will be hoping WCR gets to race with BMW logos, or they will be very lonely indeed.

I actually see some potential for a serious PR disaster for TTA. What if, Volvo spends large chunks of money in order to "improve" their S60. Money, which Flash, WCR and Brovallen don't have in such quantities. So the big debut season might end up with one manufacturer dominating. Or with one "real" manufacturer appearing on the grid...

**FIRE** · 14 Apr 2012, 10:41 (Ref:3058834)

I don't see that happen. It's a spec chassis/engine and I assume testing is limited.

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